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Old 11 Mar 2018, 11:18 (Ref:3807350)   #5491
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...LMP1-L doesn't specifically exist anymore, it's easier than typing LMP1 nonhybrid and everyone still knows what I mean).
Type it twenty more times and itíll end up being more efficient. Assuming you donít have to respond to some idiot asking you why you did it or being silly about it.
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Old 11 Mar 2018, 12:12 (Ref:3807356)   #5492
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There's literally nothing obviously different.
Aside from:
-The splitter
-Dive planes
-Rear brake ducts now on top of the side pod
-New shape to the rear wheel pontoons
-Exhaust now on the rear deck, which also neccessitated a change to the bodywork just in front of the rear wheels
-New wing endplates.
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Old 11 Mar 2018, 12:17 (Ref:3807357)   #5493
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Aside from:
-The splitter
-Dive planes
-Rear brake ducts now on top of the side pod
-New shape to the rear wheel pontoons
-Exhaust now on the rear deck, which also neccessitated a change to the bodywork just in front of the rear wheels
-New wing endplates.
Well apart from the obvious, there's nothing obvious!
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Old 11 Mar 2018, 16:26 (Ref:3807377)   #5494
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Aside from:
-The splitter
-Dive planes
-Rear brake ducts now on top of the side pod
-New shape to the rear wheel pontoons
-Exhaust now on the rear deck, which also neccessitated a change to the bodywork just in front of the rear wheels
-New wing endplates.
None of those things have changed as much as you imply - all but one of them are SMALL details, not obvious ones. The majority of people wouldn't notice even if you put them side-by-side. The most obvious difference are the dive planes and the rear wheel "pontoons", and nobody's going to consider the diveplanes as an indicator of a major difference. That leaves only one "obvious" difference, and even it doesn't stand out at first glance.

So, no, the differences AREN'T obvious, and the point still stands: It looks like an upgraded 07, not a completely new car.
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Old 12 Mar 2018, 03:20 (Ref:3807451)   #5495
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Aside from:
-The splitter
-Dive planes
-Rear brake ducts now on top of the side pod
-New shape to the rear wheel pontoons
-Exhaust now on the rear deck, which also neccessitated a change to the bodywork just in front of the rear wheels
-New wing endplates.
Ooh, ooh; don't forget the headlights!
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Old 12 Mar 2018, 04:22 (Ref:3807456)   #5496
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The R13 is based on an LMP1 car to start with, that's like pointing out the LMP2 Zyteks were similar to the LMP1s when it started as a 675. None of the other LMP2 cars were designed with the lower weight limit in mind, or anything else.
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Old 12 Mar 2018, 09:45 (Ref:3807484)   #5497
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The R13 is based on an LMP1 car to start with, that's like pointing out the LMP2 Zyteks were similar to the LMP1s when it started as a 675. None of the other LMP2 cars were designed with the lower weight limit in mind, or anything else.
I'm mostly taking a jab at how when it comes to aero, everyone was talking like the LMP1s had to be so drastically different that you couldn't use an LMP2 car as a base even if you could get the weight down. (which I'm sure companies like Dallara, Oreca, and Onroak could if they needed to) The R13 certainly seems to torpedo that idea.

Granted, we've not yet seen it race so for all we know it could be an utter failure.
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Old 16 Mar 2018, 15:49 (Ref:3808383)   #5498
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Ford has continued its push for a common set of global prototype regulations that would allow the American manufacturer to step up to the top levels of both the FIA World Endurance Championship and IMSA WeatherTech SportsCar Championship.

http://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/f...e-regulations/
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Old 17 Mar 2018, 08:03 (Ref:3808483)   #5499
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These guys might be a big key in IMSA accepting hybrid. They're balancing non-hybrid and hybrid in lmp1 this year, lets see how it goes. If it turns out ok there's no reason IMSA should say no to them.
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These guys might be a big key in IMSA accepting hybrid. They're balancing non-hybrid and hybrid in lmp1 this year, lets see how it goes. If it turns out ok there's no reason IMSA should say no to them.
But Ford alone isn't enough if GM and the other rebranding-OEMs insist on fielding spec cars or they'll bail out. Plus the former Grand-Am teams have a lot of bargaining power, anytime I think of budgets related to North America I see the red face of Wayne Taylor banging fist to the table and screaming "I'm not spending a penny more!"
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Let 'em run what they got. They obviously can go faster with some breaks and/or give some penalties to newer cars like a Ford or Toyota GTP. The Mazda was recently given a 15kg weight break, and the Rebellion is going to be based on the Oreca lmp2 running 833kg. So it's a matter of whether they feel like bop is something suddenly unacceptable imo. We'll see. But Ford is huge, and if they get their way, maybe Toyota comes too running as Lexus?
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Old 17 Mar 2018, 08:30 (Ref:3808490)   #5502
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Let 'em run what they got. They obviously can go faster with some breaks or give some penalties to newer cars like a Ford or Toyota GTP. The Mazda was recently given a 15kg weight break, and the Rebellion is going to be based on the Oreca lmp2 running 833kg. So it's a matter of whether they feel like bop is something suddenly unacceptable imo. We'll see. But Ford is huge, and if they get their way, maybe Toyota comes too running as Lexus?
What you mean, a class mixed of GTP, P1 Non-Hybrid and DPi running all together in performance balanced mess?

That would be absolutely horrendous, a total mess of epic proportions.

Plus like I've said before, if you can theoretically win Le Mans with cheap sticker-badged customer spec car with zero development required as it's all bopped, no-one's gonna bother with expensive P1 chassis of your own. Because there's no incentive whatsoever.
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Old 17 Mar 2018, 11:03 (Ref:3808513)   #5503
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Someone like Toyota might. But I agree, no BoP mess in LMP1 please. LMP2 was supposed to be free of it as well but even that is starting to crumble.
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Someone like Toyota might. But I agree, no BoP mess in LMP1 please. LMP2 was supposed to be free of it as well but even that is starting to crumble.
Yeah I think Toyota and Ford might, for marketing purposes, but all the non-hybrid P1s would instantly bail out and just run same cars as the others, ie those cheap stock P2s with different headlights and customer engine slapped into them, instantly transforming them to "OEM cars" by badge-engineering. Everyone would complain all the time and you'd have bop changes between practice and qualifying sessions, but I guess some of the IMSA teams and fans would be happy...?

It's the same thing as if in F1 the FIA would allow spec F2 Dallaras into the grid and to be able to artificially complete for overall win. They'd allow small aesthetic modifications to how the wings would look like, thus enabling the teams technically still be "constructors", but effectively it'd mean just rebranding the Dallaras as what the teams wish to call them. Everyone would instantly give up on building expensive and innovative F1 chassis of their own (except maybe like Ferrari and Mercedes for similar marketing/historical reasons as said above) and stick their engines and 100 dollar wing modifications and different paint jobs into the spec F2 Dallaras, trusting FIA to give them power to win.

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What you mean, a class mixed of GTP, P1 Non-Hybrid and DPi running all together in performance balanced mess?

That would be absolutely horrendous, a total mess of epic proportions.

Plus like I've said before, if you can theoretically win Le Mans with cheap sticker-badged customer spec car with zero development required as it's all bopped, no-one's gonna bother with expensive P1 chassis of your own. Because there's no incentive whatsoever.
No, I mean they can keep their DPi but run it to lmp1 private regs like currently. So fuel flow, 833kg and whatever else they get like the aero, while the others (Ford, Toyota etc.) 'GTP' cars run to their equalized rules.
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