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Old 26 Feb 2018, 22:57 (Ref:3804164)   #1351
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we all do it every day with windscreen wipers and chips and marks on the windscreen. the problem comes when the obstruction reaches a point where the mind is unable to look past the obstruction without overconcentrating, i guess.
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Old 26 Feb 2018, 23:30 (Ref:3804165)   #1352
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Seems OK. https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/13...lity-with-halo

However, this article does uncover a potential major flaw. These drivers will not know it is raining. What a disastrous own goal by the FIA here. It’s a joke. I would be surprised if Australia is cancelled.
This is easily solved. Place rain detecting sensors on the Halo and when it rains, an LED strip on the inside rim of the Halo flashes blue.

Instead sensors could be placed on the car and when it rains the data could then be relayed to the pit wall, who then tell the driver over the radio that it is raining. Or the data could be relayed straight to the driver. Alternatively, they could use spotters. I don't see this as an insurmountable problem.
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Old 26 Feb 2018, 23:40 (Ref:3804167)   #1353
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This is easily solved. Place rain detecting sensors on the Halo and when it rains, an LED strip on the inside rim of the Halo flashes blue.

Instead sensors could be placed on the car and when it rains the data could then be relayed to the pit wall, who then tell the driver over the radio that it is raining. Or the data could be relayed straight to the driver. Alternatively, they could use spotters. I don't see this as an insurmountable problem.
... and then they could just glance up through the big hole in the roof ... or about 5 degrees on either side ...

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Old 26 Feb 2018, 23:55 (Ref:3804170)   #1354
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... and then they could just glance up through the big hole in the roof ... or about 5 degrees on either side ...

But according to the article, the Halo diverts rain drops away from drivers' helmet.
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Old 27 Feb 2018, 01:06 (Ref:3804174)   #1355
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But according to the article, the Halo diverts rain drops away from drivers' helmet.
Honestly I can see it having an impact on reducing the amount, but not totally stopping it. It’s probably more of an issue with detecting a very light rain when at speed. If anyone has driven a convertible in the rain, they understand this. However at some point when it rains hard enough you will get wet. Personally IMHO its blown out of proportion. Time will tell.

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This is easily solved. Place rain detecting sensors on the Halo and when it rains, an LED strip on the inside rim of the Halo flashes blue.

Instead sensors could be placed on the car and when it rains the data could then be relayed to the pit wall, who then tell the driver over the radio that it is raining. Or the data could be relayed straight to the driver. Alternatively, they could use spotters. I don't see this as an insurmountable problem.
No need. Grosjean will crash on the main straight at the first sign of rain thus highlighting potential rain to all in car and pitwall.
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Another reason to avoid racing in the wet I guess…
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No need. Grosjean will crash on the main straight at the first sign of rain thus highlighting potential rain to all in car and pitwall.
Problem solved then, .
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How the teams are developing the halo....

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/t...-the-halo.html


The HAAS solution might get a bit tricky when getting in and out of the cockpit - and trying not to slice the onions!
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im not sure how possible this is but what are the challenges in changing the basic dimensions of the HALO?

its one thing for the teams to add fairings and what to make the aero work better for the car but i guess i would like to see them to maintain the devices' strength/load handling ability while making it the actual thing smaller/slimmer and less obtrusive to look at.

over time i hope this is an avenue they also pursue.
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im not sure how possible this is but what are the challenges in changing the basic dimensions of the HALO?

its one thing for the teams to add fairings and what to make the aero work better for the car but i guess i would like to see them to maintain the devices' strength/load handling ability while making it the actual thing smaller/slimmer and less obtrusive to look at.

over time i hope this is an avenue they also pursue.
Making it small in physical size is going to be difficult due to driver exit requirements.
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Making it small in physical size is going to be difficult due to driver exit requirements.
Also the drivers head moves a long way in an impact and it is imperative it can not impact the halo. I suspect this is what dictates the dimensions we have.
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M. Todt speaks about Halo reactions: Short Memories
I suspect the point that he's missing is that GPDA clearly raised the topic of head protection but not necessarily by using Halo - a screen could well have satisfied the GPDA wish.
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I suspect the point that he's missing is that GPDA clearly raised the topic of head protection but not necessarily by using Halo - a screen could well have satisfied the GPDA wish.
Todt doesn't seem to understand the difference with a request from drivers to have head protection and having a device mandated, without thorough testing of the alternatives. What about the concerns raised by Kevin Magnussen, regarding problems at tracks with elevation changes like Spa? The FIA listened to Vettel, when he got dizzy after one lap.
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Todt doesn't seem to understand the difference with a request from drivers to have head protection and having a device mandated, without thorough testing of the alternatives. What about the concerns raised by Kevin Magnussen, regarding problems at tracks with elevation changes like Spa? The FIA listened to Vettel, when he got dizzy after one lap.
As he says though what would happen if there was an accident that the halo could have prevented when the halo was ready to use?

They haven't stopped testing alternatives. It just didn't make sense to have nothing on the cars while they spend years doing that.

Elevation changes are no big deal. There are many cars that are unsighted for a second or so through elevation changes. They don't have constant accidents, it's just something that F1 drivers will have to get used to.
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