Home Mobile Forum News Cookbook FaceBook Us T-Shirts etc.: Europe/Worldwide. eBay Motorsport Links Advertising Live Chat  
Site Partners: SpotterGuides  
Related Sites: Your Link Here  

Go Back   TenTenths Motorsport Forum > Single Seater Racing > Formula One


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 12 Mar 2018, 23:11 (Ref:3807611)   #2671
wnut
Veteran
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 6,580
wnut has a real shot at the podium!wnut has a real shot at the podium!wnut has a real shot at the podium!wnut has a real shot at the podium!wnut has a real shot at the podium!
Quote:
Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith View Post
As long as it's not a double-file rolling start but single file.
F1 will probably have to work this out for themselves, they are too arrogant to work it out from somebody else's experience, and will have to run into the wall that "nobody could have predicted" for themselves.
wnut is offline  
Quote
Old 14 Mar 2018, 15:07 (Ref:3807977)   #2672
bjohnsonsmith
Race Official
Veteran
 
bjohnsonsmith's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
United States
London, England
Posts: 15,974
bjohnsonsmith will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famebjohnsonsmith will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famebjohnsonsmith will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famebjohnsonsmith will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famebjohnsonsmith will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famebjohnsonsmith will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famebjohnsonsmith will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famebjohnsonsmith will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Fame
Quote:
Originally Posted by wnut View Post
F1 will probably have to work this out for themselves, they are too arrogant to work it out from somebody else's experience, and will have to run into the wall that "nobody could have predicted" for themselves.
Double-file rolling starts were a disaster when IndyCar adopted them. However, you're right that's usually the way with F1. Being too arrogant, as well as over complicating something.
bjohnsonsmith is online now  
__________________
"If you're not winning you're not trying."
Colin Chapman.
Quote
Old 15 Mar 2018, 12:27 (Ref:3808145)   #2673
S griffin
Veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 4,606
S griffin has a real shot at the podium!S griffin has a real shot at the podium!S griffin has a real shot at the podium!S griffin has a real shot at the podium!S griffin has a real shot at the podium!
Yet they got the idea of a safety car off the pace car in America...
S griffin is online now  
__________________
He who dares wins!
He who hesitates is lost!
Quote
Old 19 Mar 2018, 11:17 (Ref:3809083)   #2674
wnut
Veteran
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 6,580
wnut has a real shot at the podium!wnut has a real shot at the podium!wnut has a real shot at the podium!wnut has a real shot at the podium!wnut has a real shot at the podium!
Quote:
Originally Posted by S griffin View Post
Yet they got the idea of a safety car off the pace car in America...
Indianapolis ran a pace car in 1911.
1973 F1 introduced a pace car following the outrage that they kept racing while Roger Williamson burned to death.
The first pace car was run in Canada in 1973 when Scheckter and Cervert crashed into one another blocking the track. The officials then picked up Ganley who was running 6th instead of the leader Revson, causing a rumpus about who had won the race.
Apparently there was a pace car on hand at the 81/82/83 Monaco GP, but it was not deployed.
The next use of a Pace car or "Safety car" as F1 likes to call them was in the 1993 where the cars used were found to be too slow and blamed for Senna's accident. The car was significantly upgraded in 1994 to ensure a quick enough car was used, and the use of a professional racing driver to drive the car came about much later. (????Date)

So in effect it took F1 at best 62 years to try and copy American racing's proven use of the pace car, 82 years to use one on a regular basis, 83 years to get the right car as a pace car, and longer to find out a professional driver was needed to competently drive the thing.
All these teething troubles would have been solved for them by the SCCA if somebody had thought to ask!

Not an impressive timeline, just pure bloody mindedness and arrogance!
wnut is offline  
Quote
Old 19 Mar 2018, 20:05 (Ref:3809197)   #2675
Adam43
14th
20KPINAL
 
Adam43's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
European Union
New Orleans
Posts: 31,779
Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!
And when introduced there was outcry amongst fans who didn’t want the change.
Adam43 is offline  
__________________
Why Don't You Just Switch Off Your Television Set and Go Out and Do Something Less Boring Instead?
Quote
Old 19 Mar 2018, 20:34 (Ref:3809204)   #2676
crmalcolm
Veteran
 
crmalcolm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Italy
Posts: 2,576
crmalcolm is going for a new lap record!crmalcolm is going for a new lap record!crmalcolm is going for a new lap record!crmalcolm is going for a new lap record!crmalcolm is going for a new lap record!crmalcolm is going for a new lap record!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam43 View Post
And when introduced there was outcry amongst fans who didnít want the change.
Did they demand refunds on their tickets?
crmalcolm is offline  
Quote
Old 20 Mar 2018, 15:27 (Ref:3809419)   #2677
S griffin
Veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 4,606
S griffin has a real shot at the podium!S griffin has a real shot at the podium!S griffin has a real shot at the podium!S griffin has a real shot at the podium!S griffin has a real shot at the podium!
A few purists were against it, feeling it wasnít fair
S griffin is online now  
__________________
He who dares wins!
He who hesitates is lost!
Quote
Old 24 Mar 2018, 08:41 (Ref:3810367)   #2678
Akrapovic
Veteran
 
Akrapovic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Scotland
Posts: 6,105
Akrapovic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameAkrapovic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameAkrapovic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameAkrapovic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameAkrapovic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameAkrapovic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameAkrapovic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameAkrapovic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameAkrapovic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameAkrapovic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Fame
Quote:
Originally Posted by wnut View Post
Indianapolis ran a pace car in 1911.
1973 F1 introduced a pace car following the outrage that they kept racing while Roger Williamson burned to death.
The first pace car was run in Canada in 1973 when Scheckter and Cervert crashed into one another blocking the track. The officials then picked up Ganley who was running 6th instead of the leader Revson, causing a rumpus about who had won the race.
Apparently there was a pace car on hand at the 81/82/83 Monaco GP, but it was not deployed.
The next use of a Pace car or "Safety car" as F1 likes to call them was in the 1993 where the cars used were found to be too slow and blamed for Senna's accident. The car was significantly upgraded in 1994 to ensure a quick enough car was used, and the use of a professional racing driver to drive the car came about much later. (????Date)

So in effect it took F1 at best 62 years to try and copy American racing's proven use of the pace car, 82 years to use one on a regular basis, 83 years to get the right car as a pace car, and longer to find out a professional driver was needed to competently drive the thing.
All these teething troubles would have been solved for them by the SCCA if somebody had thought to ask!

Not an impressive timeline, just pure bloody mindedness and arrogance!
Tiny correction - the car was upgraded for 1995. 1994 they used saloon cars like the Opel Vectra. 1995 they used Diabos, 911s and things like that.
Akrapovic is offline  
Quote
Old 25 Mar 2018, 09:19 (Ref:3810618)   #2679
Taxi645
Racer
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Netherlands
Posts: 280
Taxi645 should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/hill-hits-out-at-mercedes-ferrari-1018577/


"massive industrial complexes are ruining the sport"


I say spot on Damon. Well done and thank you for speaking up!
Taxi645 is offline  
Quote
Old 25 Mar 2018, 17:55 (Ref:3810682)   #2680
Peter Mallett
The Honourable Mallett
20KPINAL
 
Peter Mallett's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 1999
England
Here and there
Posts: 31,217
Peter Mallett will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FamePeter Mallett will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FamePeter Mallett will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FamePeter Mallett will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FamePeter Mallett will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FamePeter Mallett will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FamePeter Mallett will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FamePeter Mallett will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FamePeter Mallett will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FamePeter Mallett will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FamePeter Mallett will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Fame
Indeed.
Peter Mallett is offline  
__________________
Nobody told me we had a communication problem!
Quote
Old 26 Mar 2018, 00:15 (Ref:3810773)   #2681
Born Racer
Race Official
Veteran
 
Born Racer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 7,153
Born Racer will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameBorn Racer will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameBorn Racer will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameBorn Racer will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameBorn Racer will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameBorn Racer will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameBorn Racer will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameBorn Racer will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Fame
I can't decide if the Halo looks silly, ugly, quite attractive, ridiculous or just rather anonymous.
Born Racer is offline  
Quote
Old 26 Mar 2018, 03:04 (Ref:3810787)   #2682
sizzle
Veteran
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Australia
Darwin
Posts: 3,265
sizzle should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridsizzle should be qualifying in the top 5 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by Born Racer View Post
I can't decide if the Halo looks silly, ugly, quite attractive, ridiculous or just rather anonymous.
Horrid, but when there are 20 horrid looking objects it is easy to look past them without seeing them.
sizzle is offline  
Quote
Old 26 Mar 2018, 09:23 (Ref:3810853)   #2683
S griffin
Veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 4,606
S griffin has a real shot at the podium!S griffin has a real shot at the podium!S griffin has a real shot at the podium!S griffin has a real shot at the podium!S griffin has a real shot at the podium!
Not sure I agree with Hill on this one, Merc and Ferrari have every right to stay, it's not entirely their fault hardly anyone else is challenging, more the way the rules have gone
S griffin is online now  
__________________
He who dares wins!
He who hesitates is lost!
Quote
Old 26 Mar 2018, 10:33 (Ref:3810871)   #2684
wnut
Veteran
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 6,580
wnut has a real shot at the podium!wnut has a real shot at the podium!wnut has a real shot at the podium!wnut has a real shot at the podium!wnut has a real shot at the podium!
Quote:
Originally Posted by S griffin View Post
Not sure I agree with Hill on this one, Merc and Ferrari have every right to stay, it's not entirely their fault hardly anyone else is challenging, more the way the rules have gone
Essentially Merc represented by Ross Brawn managed to pull the wool over everyone's eyes and game the system to suit a massive investment they had sunk into hybrid power units. They were untouchable and realized if they did not help Ferrari then the rules would be changed, so they helped Ferrari and are now enjoying a nice little oligopoly where the two teams can block any inconvenient rule changes that will destroy their (Mercedes and Ferrari) advantage.
Hill is correct, Merc invested billions, and helped Ferrari, and nobody else can afford to chase this dead end technology that is only relevant to F1.
wnut is offline  
Quote
Old 26 Mar 2018, 10:55 (Ref:3810877)   #2685
littleman
Veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location:
northants
Posts: 879
littleman should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridlittleman should be qualifying in the top 5 on the grid
Current F1 cars are a perfect way for manufacturers to demonstrate their fabulous, cutting edge, technical capabilities.

But that's all they should do.........run demonstration laps.

Don't try and race the damn things because they're useless at that.
littleman is offline  
Quote
Reply

Bookmarks




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
[Rules] Are more rule changes necessary ? Marbot Formula One 51 27 Sep 2009 17:19
F1 future rule changes TheNewBob Formula One 57 20 Dec 2006 08:19
Sensible ideas for future technical regs anyone?/Rule changes - more to come [merged] AMT Formula One 74 12 Nov 2002 15:09
Future Tourer Future Crash Test Australasian Touring Cars. 13 17 Jul 2002 23:01


Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3

All times are GMT. The time now is 23:55.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Original Website Copyright © 1998-2003 Craig Antil. All Rights Reserved.
Ten-Tenths Motorsport Forums Copyright © 2004-2018 Royalridge Computing. All Rights Reserved.