V8 Super Chase?

[Pro Racer]

http://www.speedcafe.com.au/2009/11/...as-a-v8-chase/

i agree with Noonz on this one i think it would work well in V8's 10 driver's going hard at the championship.

[racer69]

Originally Posted by Pro Racer

i agree with Noonz on this one i think it would work well in V8's 10 driver's going hard at the championship.

Isn't 28 drivers going hard at the championship for the whole year a much better proposition??

the 'chase' format is the equivalent of a 'competition saftey car' mid-race

[Average Punter]

I'm with you racer. I think it's joke...

Driver A wins every race up to Bathurst and gets 100 "Chase" pts.
Driver B has some lucky finishes but is 2nd in the Championship, and way behind in the points. He's on 90.
Surely a 10pt lead is insufficient reward for 7 months hard work....

Why not blow a siren with 10 minutes to go in the Grand Final and say "I know Geelong was in front by 80, but let's call it 5"
Play On.

[David Brand]

Originally Posted by Average Punter

I'm with you racer. I think it's joke...

Driver A wins every race up to Bathurst and gets 100 "Chase" pts.
Driver B has some lucky finishes but is 2nd in the Championship, and way behind in the points. He's on 90.
Surely a 10pt lead is insufficient reward for 7 months hard work....

Why not blow a siren with 10 minutes to go in the Grand Final and say "I know Geelong was in front by 80, but let's call it 5"
Play On.

That's why the NASCAR system rewards wins with extra points for the chase.

[D.R.T.]

Noonan is one of the few remaining people within V8SA, 7, motosport media conglomerate who has an understanding motorsport, so this surprises me.

By adopting the chase is basically conceding that the product isn't delivering and needs an artificial hand to provide interest in the championship fight.

It takes the sport out of motorsport

[Belly13]

I think there is too many NASCAR-styled ideas coming into V8 Supercars. Yes, NASCAR is successful, but so is V8 Supercars.

[NaBUru38]

The Nascar Cup needs the Chase because of its 36-race schedule. A dominant driver had it much easier to get crowned several weeks before the final race. 16 races as in V8SA could use the system - the 2009 Argentine Turismo Carretera (16 races) and Top Race V6 (14 races) season had similar systems, both of them demanding at least one win to become champion. The TRV6 was more complicated than the Nascar Chase and TC's Gold Cup: there were four 3-race regular season stages and a final 2-race stage. The top 5 drivers from each regular season stage and race winners made it to the final stage, with extra points added to season-long scores depending on regular season stage results.

[fieldodreams79]

it is a BS idea for any series, including NASCAR., and hell NO, NASCAR does not NEED it.

got a NO vote from me and i hope for the fans of the greatest TC series in the world (one that i can no longer watch because of SPEED TV ) that this ridiculously stupid and FAILING idea does NOT get instituted down under.

all the best, mates.

[Trev Campbell]

Once again we have Australians wanting to copy Americans. Sorry but what a joke. This is the type of thinking that has turned our once great country into a bunch of litigating home boy morons. 'Hey if the Americans are doing it then we have too aswell.'

[Axeman444]

nope, if someone has worked their butts off all year, or managed to have the best engineering/setup team, surely they should not be handicapped for it at the 3 quarter mark of the season to allow people that have only pulled their fingers out mid way through the season to catch up again.

you will have teams only spend the money to get into the chase, then put their go fast bits in for the chase. Would this not rort the fans that attend the first 3/4 of the season's races?

in any case there are not enough races throughout the season for it to be workable

[DV_08]

I don't want it, if I read correctly didn't say Noonan supported it either. He just did the maths on what the championship would look like. We have seen some fairly close finishes to recent championships anyway.

[Bevan-L]

is it possible to change it that the winner of the first race has to drink 5 XXXX Beers within 10 mins of winning the heat... in preparation for the 2nd heat. if he wins that heat and theres a 3rd race, he has to drink again. it will be kinda like how they add ballast weight in the BTCC, just an Aussie flavour to it all.

[B!tchie Renault]

Again the reference is to a 'season Safety Car' to close up the field.

Drivers will not be pushing for points early on in the season, so long as they are in the ten. Why push it for extra points, when they will be 'levelled' off three quarters of the way through the season. That would make for very pedestrian racing.

The championship is awarded for the efforts in the year, not just the last four rounds.

[Woolley]

Originally Posted by Bevan-L

is it possible to change it that the winner of the first race has to drink 5 XXXX Beers within 10 mins of winning the heat... in preparation for the 2nd heat. if he wins that heat and theres a 3rd race, he has to drink again. it will be kinda like how they add ballast weight in the BTCC, just an Aussie flavour to it all.

I've always worked on the principal they should have to drink the champagne before the start of the next race. Little bottle for third, normal one for second and a jereboam for first.

[aussiemuscle308]

If you NEED this system then your points allocation is wrong.

[Tourer]

Definitely don't want it here.

Whilst the current points system ain't perfect it is WAY better than that idea.

Having two or three in contention for the title with two weekends of racing to go sounds about right to me given the year that we've had. If the desire is to have more drivers in contention at this stage of the year then more teams need to be competitive.

Any points system only reflects what happens on the track and NASCAR is way more even with a larger variety of potential winners than just about any other series worldwide.

[NaBUru38]

Originally Posted by aussiemuscle308

If you NEED this system then your points allocation is wrong.

If you need this system, it means that you have dominant teams and/or drivers who spoil the show. If you want a better show, spoil the points system by rewarding inconsistency. If you want a fair points system, run the chance of having a poor show. It's matter of tastes.

[peckstar]

just the points system based on noonan's chase calc (post Bathurst)

Now Was Driver Points
1 3 Garth Tander 599
2 1 Jamie Whincup 579
3 5 Mark Winterbottom 519
4 2 Will Davison 511
5 7 Rick Kelly 505
6 8 James Courtney 474
7 4 Craig Lowndes 447
8 11 Shane Van Gisbergen 437
9 6 Steven Johnson 383
10 20 Greg Murphy 364
11 13 Paul Dumbrell 340
12 21 Jason Bright 329
13 9 Lee Holdsworth 318
14 18 Alex Davison 307
15 15 Todd Kelly 296
16 16 Steven Richards 287
17 14 Jason Richards 284
18 10 Russell Ingall 276
19 12 Michael Caruso 253
20 24 Jason Bargwanna 252

[Driver TBA]

Originally Posted by peckstar

just the points system based on noonan's chase calc (post Bathurst)

Now Was Driver Points
1 3 Garth Tander 599
2 1 Jamie Whincup 579
3 5 Mark Winterbottom 519
4 2 Will Davison 511
5 7 Rick Kelly 505
6 8 James Courtney 474
7 4 Craig Lowndes 447
8 11 Shane Van Gisbergen 437
9 6 Steven Johnson 383
10 20 Greg Murphy 364
11 13 Paul Dumbrell 340
12 21 Jason Bright 329
13 9 Lee Holdsworth 318
14 18 Alex Davison 307
15 15 Todd Kelly 296
16 16 Steven Richards 287
17 14 Jason Richards 284
18 10 Russell Ingall 276
19 12 Michael Caruso 253
20 24 Jason Bargwanna 252

With the 2 guys who have been the class of the field this year sitting 2nd and 4th proves why there should'nt be a chase.

[peckstar]

its interesting that if you take out the enduros (with the benefit of a co driver) Will only has 2 wins compared to Jamies 11 (so adding back the enduros its 4 to 11.) GT has 5 wins including the enduros