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Old 7 Jan 2013, 13:49 (Ref:3185979)   #91
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Perhaps the App K regs should exclude the bit about proving that a certain vehicle raced in period as such and just say, if you want to race this car then this is what you can do. We didn't have Photoshop in the 60s.
Maybe we didn't have Photoshop in the 60s Pete but I used to fake photographs in the 60/70s in the darkroom with no problem .
The Cottingley Fairies of 1917 proved it could be done before it was proved to be a fake.
Before a photo can actually be used in evidence it must be taken in a strict code and authenticated.
I remember one incident on a Top Rally where a car was swapped for a double and was found out by someone looking at photos and found the decals weren't quite the same on the car that started and finished and was disqualified.
Although the car was probably swapped this could have opened a minefield if it had been proved the photos had been tampered with
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Old 7 Jan 2013, 13:51 (Ref:3185981)   #92
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Old 9 Jan 2013, 12:06 (Ref:3186825)   #93
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We're all doomed, doomed I tell yee.

Perhaps the App K regs should exclude the bit about proving that a certain vehicle raced in period as such and just say, if you want to race this car then this is what you can do. We didn't have Photoshop in the 60s.
Sounds like a new series and thread. " Pre`67 Club/National Level racing"
I can hear all the 1650 pre-crossflow Anglias stirring already.
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Old 9 Jan 2013, 14:46 (Ref:3186863)   #94
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Sounds like a new series and thread. " Pre`67 Club/National Level racing"
I can hear all the 1650 pre-crossflow Anglias stirring already.
Great idea !
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Old 10 Jan 2013, 09:12 (Ref:3187211)   #95
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a pre66 club series would be great, as well as 1650 Anglias there's still plenty of 1500 A40's around as well!
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Old 10 Jan 2013, 13:00 (Ref:3187277)   #96
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a pre66 club series would be great, still plenty of 1500 A40's around !
I thought most were ? at least 1480 !
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Old 30 Dec 2013, 10:50 (Ref:3348858)   #97
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http://www.fia.com/sites/default/fil...8131220%29.pdf

Link to the 2014 Appendix K . Published a few days ago . Not many changes from last year , but the changes are highlighted for easy reference .
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Thanks for posting the link! Most of the changes seem to concern roll hoops and cages as might be expected after the recent overhaul, but is that a new table on fuel tank capacities too? I hadn't noticed it before. Best wishes, Robert
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Thanks for that, just having a look myself . . . one thing I will be doing during my rebuild is a new cage.
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Or as the FIA or MSA state,"It's supposed to be FUN".Although if certain people,instead of being overwhelmed by their own supposed self importance,it could be a lot more!
Something about FUN?
"Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the obedience of fools."
Spent time discussing 'rules' 'HTP's' with a scrutineer yesterday, still none the wiser, perehaps if we all sat in the middle of a circuit, refused to move.... wonder how much time Mr Newey spends finding ways to avoid rules, at least re-applying for HTP's this summer will help pass the time, and getting the object car accepted could cause endless hours of amusement
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Old 25 Feb 2014, 17:52 (Ref:3372106)   #101
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Especially if the inspector really cares and not just looking forward to the promised lunch.
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Old 25 Feb 2014, 20:58 (Ref:3372166)   #102
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HTPs

While we're on the subject of HTPs - have any Forumists with a HTP'd car received a deathless letter from M. Duncan of the MSA setting out the charges for revalidating them ? I think we all knew that the existing ones were being invalidated sometime soon, but ...

It's a corker ! One of the best bits is the statement that in order to avoid a rush (Stand Back ! Stand Back !!) there is a sliding scale with the cheap(er) fees this year and then increasing until 2015.

Even better is the scale of charges - from £400-ish to £800-ish this year depending which category you are in. Don't look in the envelope for an explanation of the categories, that's somewhere else. In late 2015 the sliding scale moves up to £480 to £930. And on top of that is the HTP Scrutineer's expenses, which is going to take the basic Early Bird HTP over £500 (not that I begrudge the Scroots some dosh for their time and travel etc.). But all-in-all that is an expensive barcode and hologram.

Now to paraphrase 'Life of Brian' ... "what's an HTP ever done for you ?". I have never been asked to show my car's HTP at scrutineering at a circuit.
I can imagine that many racers will keep their old HTP and buy a couple of new tyres instead...
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Old 25 Feb 2014, 21:22 (Ref:3372177)   #103
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Unless the series you compete in is an FIA sanctioned race it is upto the organizer if they wish to enforce the papers being in date. All pretty pointless as it simply proves that for a moment in time every 5 years your car conforms.
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Yet another nail in the coffin for "Historic Motorsport"? Should bring some prices down if owners are unwilling to be fleeced.What if half a grid turned up without HTPs,would the race be cancelled?
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Unless the series you compete in is an FIA sanctioned race it is upto the organizer if they wish to enforce the papers being in date. All pretty pointless as it simply proves that for a moment in time every 5 years your car conforms.
That's my take, and will be interesting to see what stance organisers take. As it is not unusual now to be racing in some categories against cars with no HTP or with considerable changes after getting them it really should not make a lot of difference?

What is frustrating to me about the whole business is that the goalposts move. I have one car that was granted HTP without question, but because it has now been decided by the powers that one modification commonly carried out is maybe not period correct likely it will be refused next time! So that car will be raced without new papers and with a sympathetic organiser, or not at all.

Would be nice to get a letter from MSA explaining the HTP re-issue costs etc, especially as I have clutch of the darn things that will be required to be done- if I decide to bother!

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