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Old 16 Aug 2020, 16:07 (Ref:3995781)   #51
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They do strike me as fairly inattentive of Seb but it certainly isn't sabotage.
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Old 16 Aug 2020, 16:09 (Ref:3995783)   #52
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1 Ferrari starting on Softs
1 Ferrari starting on Mediums

Pits both on same lap...

Ask Seb to go flat out, 3 laps later asks him to save tyres to end of race...

Leaves seb out to do double laps on USED Soft Tyres than he did on Mediums, whilst every other team does bare minimum on Softs...
I have never SEEN anything so conclusive.
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Old 16 Aug 2020, 16:17 (Ref:3995786)   #53
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I wish the stewards would give Grojean a slap..
Very dangerous high speed change of direction again when Kimi tried to overtake.
It is certainly not the first time he has done it either.
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Old 16 Aug 2020, 16:36 (Ref:3995789)   #54
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I have never SEEN anything so conclusive.
Think you both need to take your tin foil hats off

Again WHY would they sabotage their own driver? What would they gain from it.

It screams of desperation and incompetence not sabotage
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Old 16 Aug 2020, 16:37 (Ref:3995790)   #55
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I wish the stewards would give Grojean a slap..
Very dangerous high speed change of direction again when Kimi tried to overtake.
It is certainly not the first time he has done it either.
Talking of Roman..talk about stupid yellow speed humps at turn 1 on the through route they had to use
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Old 16 Aug 2020, 16:53 (Ref:3995795)   #56
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Think you both need to take your tin foil hats off

Again WHY would they sabotage their own driver? What would they gain from it.

It screams of desperation and incompetence not sabotage
I know I didn’t put a after it, but come on surely when you say something so ridiculous it’s obvious?

Although looking above at some of the posts perhaps not! My bad.
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Old 16 Aug 2020, 16:55 (Ref:3995797)   #57
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I know I didn’t put a after it, but come on surely when you say something so ridiculous it’s obvious?

Although looking above at some of the posts perhaps not! My bad.
Lol I can’t see your ;-) I’m never sure when people are being sarcastic or serious these days....the world is so divided!
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Old 16 Aug 2020, 16:56 (Ref:3995799)   #58
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Old 16 Aug 2020, 18:01 (Ref:3995809)   #59
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Well glad i only watched the free highlights on sky, not sure i would have lasted the whole C4 race, was it me or was that a boring race
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Old 16 Aug 2020, 19:01 (Ref:3995820)   #60
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Have to admit, it's hard to fathom a competence level as low as demonstrated by Ferrari today.
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Old 16 Aug 2020, 19:32 (Ref:3995824)   #61
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I don't know what RBR were thinking. Round about lap 16 Vertappen said he was struggling with his rear tyres, so they brought Albon in, who was 8th or 9th, only to have him rejoin the race in 16th. He fought his way up the field to eventually finish 8th. That stop did hi no favours. I should have given him Driver of the Grand Prix.
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Old 16 Aug 2020, 19:46 (Ref:3995826)   #62
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Well the ferrari team was in a mess before, after that i think they will be looking very hard at what they can do to stop the continued slip down the F1 ladder
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Old 16 Aug 2020, 19:49 (Ref:3995827)   #63
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Well glad i only watched the free highlights on sky, not sure i would have lasted the whole C4 race, was it me or was that a boring race
It was a pretty dull affair....
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Old 16 Aug 2020, 19:59 (Ref:3995831)   #64
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It was a pretty dull affair....

No exaggeration !
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Old 16 Aug 2020, 20:04 (Ref:3995833)   #65
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Hilights include -

It nearly rained.
Ferrari accidently sabotaged the wrong car.
Some drivers swore on the radio.
The stewards were so bored that they started penalising dirvers for a bit of a laugh.
Did I mention the rain?
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Old 16 Aug 2020, 22:02 (Ref:3995848)   #66
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Well the ferrari team was in a mess before, after that i think they will be looking very hard at what they can do to stop the continued slip down the F1 ladder
There ain't nothing they can do other than the odd wing change here and there. Going to be a hard 18 months until the new car for Leclerc, and Sainz when he gets there.

Leclerc and it seems Vettel gave their all and more today in those things.
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Old 17 Aug 2020, 04:24 (Ref:3995875)   #67
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Old 17 Aug 2020, 08:17 (Ref:3995897)   #68
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Yet another uneventful affair. Merc and Verstappen are on another level atm.

Ferrari did the right thing keeping Seb out till the end, it was the only way they were ever likely to get a decent result

Racing Points still going strong, shame Checo got that penalty. Hardly ever see penalties for blue flags these days
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Especially for cases where the car obeyed the blue flag, but only moved wide forcing Lewis to the inside rather than himself going to the inside.

A non event / unwarranted penalty if ever I saw one
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Well the ferrari team was in a mess before, after that i think they will be looking very hard at what they can do to stop the continued slip down the F1 ladder
Ferrari are trying to arrest their slide, they are trying to get the unfair penalties against Racing Point upgraded to compensate for their lack of performance.
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Especially for cases where the car obeyed the blue flag, but only moved wide forcing Lewis to the inside rather than himself going to the inside.

A non event / unwarranted penalty if ever I saw one
Agreed. I didn't see anything wrong there at all....
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Just a few random thoughts:

1. What were those blue flag penalties about? I couldn't see anything wrong.

2. Why were so many teams making second tyre stops with laps in the 40s, when there was a forecast of rain about lap 50? (As it turned out, they were right of course.)

3. C4 commentators were speculating on why Ferrari mechanics were poking around in the cockpit of Leclerc's car. Apparently he undid his belts after the spin at the chicane. Then the car came back to life so he drove round slowly to the pits to have them done up. I didn't understand why he did a lap and a bit like that, instead of going straight into the pitlane immediately after the chicane.

4. Apparently teams will have to run a single engine mode all weekend in future, in an attempt to hobble Mercedes qualifying performance. Will Mercedes set the engines to "party mode" and then just put in an adjustable throttle stop to ease the strain on the engine?
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4. Apparently teams will have to run a single engine mode all weekend in future, in an attempt to hobble Mercedes qualifying performance. Will Mercedes set the engines to "party mode" and then just put in an adjustable throttle stop to ease the strain on the engine?

it involves a bit more than just a throttle stop, Mercedes might tell you exactly what and Ferrari would tell you that the FIA had greed to say nothing specific on the topic.
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Just a few random thoughts:

1. What were those blue flag penalties about? I couldn't see anything wrong.

2. Why were so many teams making second tyre stops with laps in the 40s, when there was a forecast of rain about lap 50? (As it turned out, they were right of course.)

3. C4 commentators were speculating on why Ferrari mechanics were poking around in the cockpit of Leclerc's car. Apparently he undid his belts after the spin at the chicane. Then the car came back to life so he drove round slowly to the pits to have them done up. I didn't understand why he did a lap and a bit like that, instead of going straight into the pitlane immediately after the chicane.

4. Apparently teams will have to run a single engine mode all weekend in future, in an attempt to hobble Mercedes qualifying performance. Will Mercedes set the engines to "party mode" and then just put in an adjustable throttle stop to ease the strain on the engine?
The cynics would say this is to help the Ferrari powered teams - allegedly the FIA 'used' to be known in the paddock as Ferrari International Assistance..
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Especially for cases where the car obeyed the blue flag, but only moved wide forcing Lewis to the inside rather than himself going to the inside.

A non event / unwarranted penalty if ever I saw one
I prefer the IMSA rules that direct the slower car to stay on the racing line and require the faster car to go around to pass. These F1 rules are more like Step aside for the King.
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