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Old 25 Apr 2007, 18:58 (Ref:1900364)   #16
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Race 6 - John Cooper Memorial

Ahhhhh, the smell of Castrol R; terrific! John Turner put his Mk9 Cooper JAP on pole but a poor start saw Neil Hodges (95 - Mk8 Cooper Jap) take the lead and make the running whilst David Lecoq (Petty Manx) made a good start to slot into second. Turner started to recover ground and in this picture he is second before he moved into the lead. Unfortunately, some sort of mechanical ailment then saw him drop down the order to eventually retire. Thus a 3 way battle for the lead became a two way one, and Neil Hodges it was who took the chequered flag from David Lecoq, just 6 tenths separating them at the end:-


Roy Hunt finished 3rd in his Martin Norton:-


Nigel Challis (Mk8 Cooper Norton) and James Holland (Mk8 Cooper Norton) show equal determination, but it was Holland who got ahead to take 5th, whilst Challis finished 7th:-


I was much smitten by this unusual machine; so much so that I failed to register the fact that Duncan Rabagliati was driving it, until I met him the following day at Cadwell! It's a Comet Mk1 JAP and Duncan finished 11th with it:-
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Old 25 Apr 2007, 22:53 (Ref:1900511)   #17
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[QUOTE=andy97]Some photos of an incidents from the "Tin Tops" race.

Typical tintop race! thats what frightened me off. Well,that and the comments from the "proper" cscc drivers.Similar thoughts to you John! Im sure most of them hate having modern cars at their classic meetings,but hey my 216gti,the uno and the maestros are every bit as "historic" as a beaten up overweight jag XJ6.Possibly more so....
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Old 26 Apr 2007, 09:40 (Ref:1900781)   #18
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Colin, I'm not going to be drawn on this, too much. There were, I agree, some cars in the 'Tin Tops' which I would now regard as old enough to constitute historic, and let's face it you guys need somewhere to play. However, I took a view that as I was trying to cover both Snetterton and Cadwell that I would have to be a bit selective! It's thursday now and I'm nowhere near completed with either event. So the 'moderns' are out, I'm afraid, and this is the Historic Racing forum afterall. Actually I really don't have a problem with the 'Tin Tops' - they will be 'historic' soon enough - we'll feature them then!
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Old 26 Apr 2007, 11:26 (Ref:1900848)   #19
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Some photos of an incidents from the "Tin Tops" race.

Typical tintop race! thats what frightened me off. Well,that and the comments from the "proper" cscc drivers.Similar thoughts to you John! Im sure most of them hate having modern cars at their classic meetings,but hey my 216gti,the uno and the maestros are every bit as "historic" as a beaten up overweight jag XJ6.Possibly more so....
IMHO the driving standards were pretty good overall. I don't think that the photo depicted was typical at all but my father was just chuffed to bits to get the shot & will be even more chuffed to be seen "nationally"! As for "comments", I have found the club to be very welcoming. Mind you, the CSCC's "Tin Tops" does not pretend to be an historic series, it plainly isn't, & so any discussion of this particular series should perhaps be better placed in the "National & Club Racing" Section.

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Old 26 Apr 2007, 11:38 (Ref:1900856)   #20
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BTW, the CSCC web site now announces dates for a "Future Classics" Series. I have put a link on the National & Club racing section.
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Race 9 - Knights Batteries/JEC Powered by Jaguar

I think the sort of driving well captured by Andy's Dad is not restricted to Tin Tops. The nature of Russells means that it tends to attract this sort of incident regardless of the class of race. I noted nothing particularly untoward in the driving of the Tin Tops which was Race 7. The event was won by the Gannon/Gannon (optional 2 driver event with compulsory stop, of course) Honda Integra with Nick Reynolds in a similar car second and the MG ZR of Mellor and Addison 3rd. I thought Andy (Yeoman) and Nigel Edwards did well to take 15th in a fairly large field, (several of which were unclassified at the end) in the Uno, which is certainly old enough to qualify as historic.

Race 8 was for modern Porsches so I will just record the fact that the race was easily won by Rupert Lewin in his 996 GT2 R, a stunningly quick car in a straight line.

Now to Race 9, which was the Knight Batteries/JEC Powered by Jaguar Championship with 750MC Sports Racing & GT Challenge, a title that explains the rather extraordinary make up of the grid. There was a reasonable proportion of historic cars in the race although the many pretty Crossle 9S would be described as continuation cars, and the 3 quickest cars were 'Fake Snakes'; they were followed home by 3 of the Crossles. This is not a criticism; just a statement of fact, so apart from the first picture, the others 3 focus on the genuinely older cars in the race:-

Heading down toward the Bomb Hole, Nigel Edwards finds his mirrors full of the RAM Cobra of Mark Jordan who eventually got by. They finished 3rd and 4th:-


Late entrant, Myles Castaldini finished 18th in his Marcos GT:-


20th place went to the little Ginetta G12 from 1966, driven by David Stafford.
The G12 was the car to have in GT club racing in the mid 1960's until the Chevron B6/B8 came along:-


Last of the classified finishers was Norman Davidson in his 1961 E-type:-


That was the last race I witnessed, but it would be good if anyone would like to give us a brief run down of the following days events.

I will put up a few requests if anyone has any, and that includes the 2 'modern' races mentioned above. Yes, I did 'snap' some of them, too!

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Old 26 Apr 2007, 17:15 (Ref:1901064)   #22
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Before I get my coat.. Iv got to say some of the best,clean racing Iv had has been with Tintops,and was speaking a bit out of turn.Although some of the less "historic" cars always seem to get badly bent!
ps. as usual brilliant pics John.
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Old 27 Apr 2007, 09:44 (Ref:1901541)   #23
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looking at that Ginetta (a very pretty car) does that mean this series accepts sports racers?
nice looking E Type as well pity it didnt finsh - do you know why?
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looking at that Ginetta (a very pretty car) does that mean this series accepts sports racers?
nice looking E Type as well pity it didnt finsh - do you know why?
The Ginetta G12 races in the SR & GT series, which was amalgamated with the JEC Powered by Jaguar series for this race meeting only.

Details of the SR & GT series can be found here:

http://www.srgtc.org.uk

A great series. The Crossle 9S' are my favourites.
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The Ginetta G12 races in the SR & GT series, which was amalgamated with the JEC Powered by Jaguar series for this race meeting only.

Details of the SR & GT series can be found here:

http://www.srgtc.org.uk

A great series. The Crossle 9S' are my favourites.
I have had a look at the website - is this a series for replica's? Is the Ginetta a replica or an original?

Yes I agree about the Crossle - I think it is pretty and effective sadly trying to find a genuine pre 66 one is very hard - as Jon Shipman and Mark Hales soon realized ;-)
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Simon, I am not an expert by any means but the series seems to cater for original cars ( and I think that the Ginetta G12 is one such car), replicas such as the Cobras, Jaguar D Types & Stratos' and "continuation cars" such as the Crossles. I am sure that other on 10-Tenths can provide greater details. It's a series that seems to work very well, anyway.
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I have had a look at the website - is this a series for replica's? Is the Ginetta a replica or an original?

Yes I agree about the Crossle - I think it is pretty and effective sadly trying to find a genuine pre 66 one is very hard - as Jon Shipman and Mark Hales soon realized ;-)
...and a very fine website it is, even if I say so myself
The series is for anything that is pre 1975. But the wording in the regs goes

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GENERAL DESCRIPTION: The SPORTS RACING & GT CHALLENGE is open to original and replica two-seater sports and GT cars such as those in Appendix C to these regulations and their original versions which must have been built not later than 31st December 1975 or at co-ordinator’s discretion.
It's originals or replicas and the wording is in the bit I have highlighted which allows the new Crossles with their modern engines and running gear to enter. So I suppose I could put a Sierra Cossie engine in my Dtype and be competitive but in my opinion it's not in the spirit of the series, just my opinion though.
BTW, the Ginettas are originals AFAIK

More about the SR&GTC here

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Some more of my Dad's pictures from the CSCC Snetterton meeting can be found here:

http://rides.webshots.com/album/558792004NrBCtz

Excuse some of the incorrect labelling of cars, he's not a petrol head!
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