[WTCC] 2016 WTCC news & rumours

[Hawkwood]

Originally Posted by GM10

I don't like so much NGTC specifications, because there are too many different types of car

I honestly think that's a ridiculous complaint, but hey, each to their own!

[Hawkwood]

Originally Posted by iceman-1987

Btcc dead at the end of 2000!! The actual btcc is just bulls**t of championship!

Ribeiro doesn't know more what to invent to give appeal to the series that he is destroying! Wtcc has no future going on in this way!! The ex D2 regulation was cancelled just because of high cost cause the cars were too expensive for an whole season and now we arrived at the same point! The champions now barely survive thanks to the 4 manufacture and few historic team. Before if some manufacture left the serie there were anyway indipendet team that could buy the cars now it happens always more rarely! The TCR is without doubts the future

It's shame the second part, which has a couple of good points, had to inhabit the same post as the bold section, because the bold bit is one of the most ridiculous things I've read on here for a long time

[Matt]

Originally Posted by Hawkwood

I honestly think that's a ridiculous complaint, but hey, each to their own!

Agreed, hahahaha.

That's the first time I've ever heard of someone complain because there was too much variety.

[Loran]

The rules NGTC actually aren't suitable for the world championship. After all it is the actual identical cars. Monocup. Differing only with motors and that not at all. And aerodynamics. In NGTC there is no competition of design engineers. It isn't interesting to automobile plants. It can be to interestingly local automobile dealers. But their opportunities won't be enough for participation in the world championship.

TCR looks more interestingly, but they too have a problem with use of Balance of performance system. It depreciates many engineering decisions. By the way "Balance of performance" is and in NGTC, but there it is used almost secretly, in any case it was very heavy to find any information on handicaps of participants (turbo-supercharging pressure, the size of restrictor).

TCR and NGTC are more spectacular on the route, but in TC1 there is a real fight between design offices. Likely it was possible as in NGTC to limit pressure of a turbo-supercharging of Citroen engines, or to increase turbo-supercharging pressure at Honda and Lada, but whether it will be really interesting?

[Loran]

Originally Posted by Matt

BTCC is a national championship and they've now got two series in the country running the cars.

Sweden is a mess from a Touring car standpoint anyway, just look at STCC.

Sweden had one of the strongest S2000 championships from 2003 to 2011. And it thus the population and economy of Sweden is three times less British. Therefore crisis very strongly affected them, they were compelled to look for the budgetary decision. They tried NGTC and it wasn't pleasant to them (expensively). They chose silhouettes. And now they think about TCR.

Actually it is a problem in Europe: Britain has one of the most powerful economies in the world to which in Europe only Germany and France can compete. Germany has DTM, and now there will be TCR. France has a strange relation to touring cars, but now French will organize and work in WTCC. Other countries simply economically aren't able to afford now such expensive championship as BTCC. Therefore NGTC will never go out of Britain. Not in this reality.

[GM10]

Originally Posted by Hawkwood

I honestly think that's a ridiculous complaint, but hey, each to their own!

Almost until 2013 I would have been agreed with you, then I saw a lot of controversies in V8 Superstars because of an incorrect use of the BoP and I changed my mind. Usually I don't watch BTCC, but if the category is running well, maybe there is a good application of the BoP, because there are a lot of cars with different concepts on the grid. That's all.

TCR had troubles with BoP at the beginning of the season, solved quite shortly. And cars are surely nearer to each other, talking about bodyshell. Maybe only Subaru is a bit borderline.

[Lanti]

Originally Posted by Bramzel

While that is true, the TC1 cars do depend on aero too much and are too fragile. I mentioned before that I've never seen as much destroyed rear suspensions as the last 2 years. Competitors need to step up for sure, but the cars need to be beefed up as well though!

Fragile suspension parts has nothing to do with the regulations. TC1 simply allows manufacturers to change the original road-going suspension to MacPherson, but it does not rule them to make is weak.

A friend of mine working in WTCC told me that some manufacturers wanted to spare weight on suspension parts and made them way too light and fragile. They have learned the lesson.

Citroen is a good example that WTCC suspensions are not fragile because of the regulations.

[peetleouf]

Originally Posted by Loran

The rules NGTC actually aren't suitable for the world championship. After all it is the actual identical cars. Monocup. Differing only with motors and that not at all. And aerodynamics. In NGTC there is no competition of design engineers. It isn't interesting to automobile plants. It can be to interestingly local automobile dealers. But their opportunities won't be enough for participation in the world championship.

TCR looks more interestingly, but they too have a problem with use of Balance of performance system. It depreciates many engineering decisions. By the way "Balance of performance" is and in NGTC, but there it is used almost secretly, in any case it was very heavy to find any information on handicaps of participants (turbo-supercharging pressure, the size of restrictor).

TCR and NGTC are more spectacular on the route, but in TC1 there is a real fight between design offices. Likely it was possible as in NGTC to limit pressure of a turbo-supercharging of Citroen engines, or to increase turbo-supercharging pressure at Honda and Lada, but whether it will be really interesting?

Originally Posted by Loran

Sweden had one of the strongest S2000 championships from 2003 to 2011. And it thus the population and economy of Sweden is three times less British. Therefore crisis very strongly affected them, they were compelled to look for the budgetary decision. They tried NGTC and it wasn't pleasant to them (expensively). They chose silhouettes. And now they think about TCR.

Actually it is a problem in Europe: Britain has one of the most powerful economies in the world to which in Europe only Germany and France can compete. Germany has DTM, and now there will be TCR. France has a strange relation to touring cars, but now French will organize and work in WTCC. Other countries simply economically aren't able to afford now such expensive championship as BTCC. Therefore NGTC will never go out of Britain. Not in this reality.

Thanks a lot for your comment, i am completely agree with you. +1000 !

And wait to see new Volvo team, i think they can be a very serious opponent to Citroën !

[Nigma]

Originally Posted by Rubio

I agree, especially on the part of fragile cars. It's not good when you lose 1/3 of the field after minor touches.

Just a thought - Citroen built a tank having a year to develop the car, Honda built the Civic in somewhere about 4 months and was fragile in 2014, becoming stronger in 2015, Lada built everything in the last minute in 2015 and suffered from a minor scratch. Maybe it's also not the problem of the regulations but rather the problem of timing for manufacturers which were forced to build cars in the short period of time? Time will tell, of course

But then, implementing such costy regulations in 2014 and not in 2015 as initially planned was a big mistake.

One thing I'd like to point out in regards to the longer the car has been developed, the stronger it is. Citroen did have a year to develop the car for speed, cornering and everything else in between. But they also crashed their cars in to one another to find the weak points in the car and make them stronger too. Something Honda, Lada and RML didn't have time to do.

[kobefly]

Originally Posted by Nigma

One thing I'd like to point out in regards to the longer the car has been developed, the stronger it is. Citroen did have a year to develop the car for speed, cornering and everything else in between. But they also crashed their cars in to one another to find the weak points in the car and make them stronger too. Something Honda, Lada and RML didn't have time to do.

Besided time, money is the huge difference between Citroen and the rest of the manufacturers. They do not get even close to their budget and that gap is difficult to be filled with other stuff in racing.

[NaBUru38]

WTCC is a world championship where half of the field are privateers. It's unsustainable.

The point of a world championship is to have worldwide audiences. You can't do that with so many privateers.

If DTM took over the WTCC, that could work.

[Racing Harz]

You talk rubbish... look how many privateers the WTCC had have 2005 - 2013 and it was great.

[iceman-1987]

Originally Posted by Racing Harz

You talk rubbish... look how many privateers the WTCC had have 2005 - 2013 and it was great.

Ok but the goal of world Championship should be to have a good number of official manufacture plus some more independent team.

Instead since some years the wtcc barely survive thanks to independent team and btw every year is becoming always more difficult for them to be on the grid..

They must absolutely reduce the costs. Too much carbon fiber on the cars and too much aerodynamic influence. More than 1 mln of euro to buy a TC1 car is simply insane.

[Rubio]

Originally Posted by Racing Harz

You talk rubbish... look how many privateers the WTCC had have 2005 - 2013 and it was great.

Well, actually until 2010 the amount of independents entered for the full season was 7-8 in average - same as nowadays but there were much more works entries. When SEAT, BMW left, number of indies has significantly grown.

[Metzo]

Originally Posted by Racing Harz

You talk rubbish... look how many privateers the WTCC had have 2005 - 2013 and it was great.

20 of 25 cars in 2013 were entered by privatteams but people barely cared about the championship, it doesn't always matter how good the sport is, people want to see big names.

[Rubio]

Some news about Russian round and Lada:

http://auto-sport.ru/news/652/154865/

According to the article, FIA inspection visited the track and confirmed the starting round of 2016. In addition Lada is rumoured to build 4 new chassis (don't really think it was possible) and they should start their preparation next week at Magny-Cours

[Matt]

yassss lada

[Finesse]

If Lada are gonna test, perhaps they could also say who there drivers are.....

[Finesse]

I don't really like the ofseason....

[FIRE]

Originally Posted by Finesse

If Lada are gonna test, perhaps they could also say who there drivers are.....

Catsburg, Tarquini and Valente.

[Finesse]

Originally Posted by FIRE

Catsburg, Tarquini and Valente.

Is that 100% sure

[Metzo]

Originally Posted by Rubio

In addition Lada is rumoured to build 4 new chassis (don't really think it was possible) and they should start their preparation next week at Magny-Cours

if lada really builts 4 new chassis, do you think they will enter 4 cars? and what will happen with the 3 chassis from 2015?

[helmat]

Maybe some privateers will pick them up and change from Chevy to Lada?

[thlbtcc]

Huff reckoned all 3 were in a bad way so new one's needed I guess
http://www.touringcartimes.com/2015/...atar-set-back/

[Rubio]

Originally Posted by Metzo

if lada really builts 4 new chassis, do you think they will enter 4 cars? and what will happen with the 3 chassis from 2015?

If this fact is true, 3 new chassis are going to race and the 4th will be used as a test car