Phillip Island The Only Future Victorian VASC Venue?? (merged x3)

[PVDA]

There's 2 years left in the V8 contract so I reckon it will be gone by September next year

[one five five]

Originally Posted by peckstar

Improved facilities, spectator mounds, toilets, camping, access, parking etc. All are below Sandown and PI standard

Satisfied?

Have you got a source or an article to back this up?

Or is that a personal preference/opinion?

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by one five five

Have you got a source or an article to back this up?

Or is that a personal preference/opinion?

A survey of the paying public who regularly attend those 3 tracks.

Really though, you should come and watch at those tracks at some stage, especially Sandown grandstand while you can. All great tracks to attend

Then you wouldnt even question it the need to spend more for the paying public

That being said, as ive said a number of times on this forum, Winton is great.

[one five five]

Originally Posted by peckstar

A survey of the paying public who regularly attend those 3 tracks.

Really though, you should come and watch at those tracks at some stage, especially Sandown grandstand while you can. All great tracks to attend

Then you wouldnt even question it the need to spend more for the paying public

That being said, as ive said a number of times on this forum, Winton is great.

I've been to all three tracks, on both sides of the fence

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by one five five

I've been to all three tracks, on both sides of the fence

Good, then you know

[Mr X]

Originally Posted by peckstar

Interesting to Note that Australian superbikes is back at Winton this year after an 8 year absence.

Why is it back, after lobbying by Winton Raceway and V8 Supercars Winton finally received some state government funding allowing improvements to be made to the track. Interesting to Note that the recent government funded upgrades were expected to increase patronage by 40%

But dont worry, according to some, Only VASC benefit from the improvements. I think we can put that simplicity argument to bed

The tie up between ASAA, Winton and the ASBK's rival (FX) might have more to do with the absence of ASBK than the state of Winton.

ASBK also go to Morgan Park, so I would not say they are that picky about track facilities.

[one five five]

Originally Posted by peckstar

Good, then you know

Actually no, as a competitor and a spectator, i thought things were fine. Friends and family i've been with at those events i don't recall complaining either.

I guess our standards aren't high enough though perhaps?

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by Mr X

The tie up between ASAA, Winton and the ASBK's rival (FX) might have more to do with the absence of ASBK than the state of Winton.

ASBK also go to Morgan Park, so I would not say they are that picky about track facilities.

Not according to the winton CEO

[NaBUru38]

Well, they could sell the property and race it as a street circuit.

[mountainstar]

We've seen this business model before. Build a race track on the outskirts of town, run it for a few decades and then cash out for big bucks at some point.

[Umai Naa]

Sadly, whether that exact intention is there or not, it's the only way to go, without pouring a whole heap of money down the toilet trying to keep the council and EPA off your case.

[mayhem]

Originally Posted by velly4

I'd love to see the figures of what each party makes. I bet you will find the circuit is on the wrong end of the stick.

I know of someone who was/is involved with Winton and by the time they paid the V8 sanction fees there wasn't much left over.

From HERE interview with BAC CEO Chris Lewis-Williams.

He says that the club will be lucky to turn a profit from the weekend despite a strong estimated crowd of 80,000, which included a fully booked out camping area.

“We’ve probably made money (on the V8 Supercars event) once in 10 years,” he said.

“They (V8 Supercars) are an expensive circus and the fee they require to show up is a big fee.

“Our attendance at the weekend was the best for many years, but it’s difficult for us to sell the chunk of tickets required to pay the fee.

“We’re very fortunate that we have 51 other weeks of the year that are good and essentially we use those to float this. But we shouldn’t really be doing that.”

[GTRMagic]

If it doesn't make financial sense, don't hold the meeting.

Is it really that difficult to work out?

[GTRMagic]

Winton Pushing For Long Term Deal With VASC

If it's such an economic cataclysm, why do the circuits keep asking to extend their deals.....

[Umai Naa]

There's a fair chance they're under a bit of pressure from the local chamber of commerce to ensure the event takes place.

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by Umai Naa

There's a fair chance they're under a bit of pressure from the local chamber of commerce to ensure the event takes place.

But that would suggest that VASC brings economic benefit to the region, which seems difficult to accept for some...

[velly4]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

But that would suggest that VASC brings economic benefit to the region, which seems difficult to accept for some...

I don't see why it's such an issue for Supercars to pay for the privilege of using the Winton facilities?

Maybe if they did they would get the upgrades they stamp their feet about requiring.

And why should everyone else pay for the rich boys to get richer? Not a great way to build the grassroots of the sport is it?

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by velly4

I don't see why it's such an issue for Supercars to pay for the privilege of using the Winton facilities?

Maybe if they did they would get the upgrades they stamp their feet about requiring.

And why should everyone else pay for the rich boys to get richer? Not a great way to build the grassroots of the sport is it?

Really so when a band plays a venue do they pay the venue or does the venue pay them? why do you demand a difference here

80,000 people (over 3 days) (when i write it down i notice its more than double a certain GT3 event) turned up to watch the v8s, But you are suggesting that Winton should keep all that money

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by velly4

I don't see why it's such an issue for Supercars to pay for the privilege of using the Winton facilities?

BAC is making the choice to promote the event, or V8SA would actually promote it, and therefore pay BAC for the track hire, and keep all the gate...

You can't have it both ways.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by Mixer

BAC is making the choice to promote the event, or V8SA would actually promote it, and therefore pay BAC for the track hire, and keep all the gate...

You can't have it both ways.

Normally i would agree with you on this, however GTRs attached article suggest that V8SC do not want to promote an event at Winton.

Still why do winton want v8s if its a loss maker, must be some benefit that is not being disclosed, maybe its the related track hire for test and media days or the local council doing certain things in exgange for them having the event

[GROUPA]

IMO Phillip Island should have a enduro event (500km) and a sprint round and 2 different times of the year.

This years event was pretty quite on the island - I have a place there and you hardly noticed the V8's were in town - pretty similar to world superbikes.

The biggest event other than MotoGP is historics.

Over the last few weeks on weekdays there has been alot of GT testing and even a HSV V8 Supercar last Wednesday. First time I've had a chance to hear the M6 sounds great.

Plan on going down Sunday for this weekends GT event.

[jd yort]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

If it doesn't make financial sense, don't hold the meeting.

Is it really that difficult to work out?

Wow, after all your tears in the Homebush thread you come up with that statement.

[velly4]

Originally Posted by peckstar

Really so when a band plays a venue do they pay the venue or does the venue pay them? why do you demand a difference here

80,000 people (over 3 days) (when i write it down i notice its more than double a certain GT3 event) turned up to watch the v8s, But you are suggesting that Winton should keep all that money

Do bands make the venue build its stage for them and pay for it?

No they do not, they provide the venue and the venue must be returned to the state it was in prior to the event.

What is your issue with the big boys of the sport, who are this supposed super professional business that needs to be subsidised by those who struggle to be involved in the sport they love?
Without these people the sport will die!

What does GT3 have to do with this? Must you turn everything into a **** fight?

[dsg]

Originally Posted by velly4

Do bands make the venue build its stage for them and pay for it?

No. However if the facilities aren't there, they just don't play there.

Cities everywhere build or upgrade facilities to attract teams/events/performers. We have seen it in the US, Europe and especially in the middle east. Closer to home Perth built a new arena to attract events and performers and are in the process of building a new stadium for football.

This is the same on a smaller scale.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by velly4

Do bands make the venue build its stage for them and pay for it?

No they do not, they provide the venue and the venue must be returned to the state it was in prior to the event.

What is your issue with the big boys of the sport, who are this supposed super professional business that needs to be subsidised by those who struggle to be involved in the sport they love?
Without these people the sport will die!

What does GT3 have to do with this? Must you turn everything into a **** fight?

Im somewhat confused by your comments regarding bands, thinking there is a grammar error.

But let me confirm that when ACDC comes to town, they get paid for being at the event, they dont own or build a venue. They are richer than v8 supercars but get paid for being there.

Why is there have double standards on this?

When v8 supercars promote their own event they pay the track a fee and keep the gate.

In the case of Winton, Winton pay a fee to v8 supercars and keep the gate. V8 supercars are not forcing Winton to have them

Both of these are common in event management throughout the world.

Just found it amusing when reading the crowd number it was double the 12 hour, which funnily enough gets government funding to run. Its interesting that when v8 supercars shake the can, the pro GT3 fans come out against this. Interesting double standard