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Old 20 Feb 2019, 14:02 (Ref:3885570)   #4126
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Ehh. More races per weekend makes it harder. Mainly because if you break your car in race one you're screwed in race two and three. Also Andy's cars were always the best on the grid or near the best. He ran the dominant Sierra's and was in much more control of his team. Being team owner, engineer and principle.

Jason can only work with what he's given and has/had much less control than Andy did. So you need to compare apples to apples. Which we just can't unless you out Andy and Jason in identical cars.

lets take your example, you break your car race 1 and are screwed in race 2+3, you still have 27 other chances to win during the season
in 1986, if you broke your car, you had 8 other chances. a top driver has much more chance getting a win from 27 vs a win from 8



But I dont think the comparison is fair unless your judging against competitors from the same era to be honest for that very reason. Its difficult really to even compare Neal and Plato on stats of wins per start etc because the first 8 years of Neals BTCC career were spent in machinery that was never going to get him near the front as opposed to Plato who nearly always had works drives from the off.



Rouse wasnt always in control tho, I am sure he had to defer to Gordon Spice a number of times before branching off on his own
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Old 20 Feb 2019, 14:23 (Ref:3885573)   #4127
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My point.... just stop trying to compare. If you have to do it against some one, then do it against someone who has entered in a similar number of races in the same era. ie. Matt Neil.
9 championships vs 2?
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Old 20 Feb 2019, 14:27 (Ref:3885574)   #4128
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You can also as good as write-off somewhere between a third and half of races as the chances of winning a third race reverse grid after winning the first two is almost impossible in most cases. The fact that it’s only ever been done twice and Plato being one of those is case in point. Also, if you have a DNF or an off that puts you way down the grid in Race 1, then that’s Race 2 as good as write off in terms of scoring a win.

It’s easier for a “lesser” driver to score the odd win in the present format, but it’s far harder for any driver to score a high number of wins over a prolonged period.

Take someone like Patrick Watts. He never scored a BTCC win did he? But I’m sure in today’s format he would.
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Old 20 Feb 2019, 14:33 (Ref:3885577)   #4129
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Certainly Patrick Watts is a candidate for best driver never to win a race and certainly today’s sporting regs would have helped. Certainly he was someone in the Rob Austin mold IMHO, so there’s no doubt he probably would have notched up at least one
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Old 20 Feb 2019, 15:26 (Ref:3885581)   #4130
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Corolla will hit the track next week.
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Old 20 Feb 2019, 15:31 (Ref:3885583)   #4131
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Looking forward to seeing that. Any idea where it’ll be?
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Old 20 Feb 2019, 15:33 (Ref:3885584)   #4132
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Old 20 Feb 2019, 15:35 (Ref:3885585)   #4133
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Looking forward to seeing that. Any idea where it’ll be?
From btcc.net 'We’ll be hitting a UK circuit next week, which will be made known shortly, before heading off to Spain for a comprehensive testing schedule at the beginning of March.'
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Old 20 Feb 2019, 15:37 (Ref:3885586)   #4134
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From btcc.net 'We’ll be hitting a UK circuit next week, which will be made known shortly, before heading off to Spain for a comprehensive testing schedule at the beginning of March.'



That makes perfect sense, to do a shakedown local to home before spending all the time effort and money taking the car to Spain only to find a critical flaw.
It wouldnt surprise me if its a behind closed doors at an airfield or private track
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Old 20 Feb 2019, 16:12 (Ref:3885591)   #4135
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You can also as good as write-off somewhere between a third and half of races as the chances of winning a third race reverse grid after winning the first two is almost impossible in most cases.
although should now be a little easier to acheive with the max ballast being reduced, but will still be difficult
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Old 20 Feb 2019, 21:54 (Ref:3885649)   #4136
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Whilst it may mean absolutely nothing, Rob Collard earlier tweeted a picture of his gym with a caption saying “making maximum use of the gym tonight #wintertraining” and I replied “ “Maxed” out now then? 😉” and he’s liked that reply.
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Old 20 Feb 2019, 22:04 (Ref:3885650)   #4137
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Whilst it may mean absolutely nothing, Rob Collard earlier tweeted a picture of his gym with a caption saying “making maximum use of the gym tonight #wintertraining” and I replied “ “Maxed” out now then? 😉” and he’s liked that reply.
I'm afraid Rob likes pretty much everything on Twitter!

Wouldn't read too much into it!
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Old 20 Feb 2019, 22:05 (Ref:3885651)   #4138
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Whilst it may mean absolutely nothing, Rob Collard earlier tweeted a picture of his gym with a caption saying “making maximum use of the gym tonight #wintertraining” and I replied “ “Maxed” out now then? 😉” and he’s liked that reply.
I'm taking Rob as a definite. The only question marks as far as I'm concerned are the second seats at BMR and Excelr8. I was up until very recently 99% sure Ash was continuing at BMR; now I'm suspecting he isn't. Whoever signs him up is getting the best of his generation.
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Old 20 Feb 2019, 23:05 (Ref:3885653)   #4139
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2017 BTCC Champion Ashley Sutton bounced back from a disappointing start to his campaign last year, scoring an excellent six wins in the final 18 races of the season, as well as taking two wins in two races in TCR UK and a podium in TCR Europe. He returns to the BTCC in search of a second championship title with the familiar Team BMR outfit.
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Old 20 Feb 2019, 23:31 (Ref:3885657)   #4140
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Old 21 Feb 2019, 07:42 (Ref:3885691)   #4142
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Is this another online confirmation before the team have made an official release?
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It looks more likely that the Good Old Boys will be at PMR, unless they're just playing with us on Twitter.
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MG - Excelr8 Motorsport - ???????
MG - Excelr8 Motorsport - Rob Smith

Volkswagen CC - Team HARD - Mike Bushell
Volkswagen CC - Team HARD - Bobby Thompson
Volkswagen CC - Team HARD - Carl Boardley
Volkswagen CC - Team HARD - Michael Crees

Toyota Corolla - Speedworks - Tom Ingram

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BMW 125 - WSR - Tom Oliphant
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Honda Civic - BTC Racing - Chris Smiley
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Honda Civic - AMD - Sam Tordoff
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Audi S3 - Trade Price Cars Racing - Jake Hill
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Vauxhall Astra - PMR - ?????
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[BOLD]Subaru Levorg - BMR - Ash Sutton¿¿¿¿[/BOLD]
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Wouldn't it be lovely if Mat Jackson was in the second PMR seat?
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Not really.
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