2019 VASC Silly Season (WITH POLL)

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by Forda

Perhaps if he was still shackled to the curse which is Team 18.

You mean the single car team that is 3 positions above Lee in the championship standings?

13th in a car that has basically blitzed the field? Good job Leethal.

[Forda]

Originally Posted by Mixer

You mean the single car team that is 3 positions above Lee in the championship standings?

13th in a car that has basically blitzed the field? Good job Leethal.

You mention that as though they're the final standings at the end of the season.

There's still a long way to go, and plenty of time for the Team 18 curse to ensue

[V8 Fireworks]

It will be a worry if the superior Ford teams are no longer filling places 1st to 5th at Tasmania. Ford fans will have every right to be furious.

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

It will be a worry if the superior Ford teams are no longer filling places 1st to 5th at Tasmania. Ford fans will have every right to be furious.

Oh
My
God

Really?

I have no doubt Scotty Mac will still brain everybody, but really other than maybe Waters, the others have been flattered by a car that was demonstrably better than everything else.

Here's an except for the factual and mature response from DJRTP:

After the Beaurepaires Melbourne 400, the Supercars technical department, within their remit, conducted a Centre of Gravity (CoG) test on 10 cars.

Following this test, the technical department identified an imbalance, and a rule was then drafted to address and provide for CoG parity. This rule was subsequently passed by the Supercars commission and ratified by the Supercars board, which saw an adjustment made to the Mustang and ZB in the interests of technical parity.

Just a reminder of the composition of the board amongst the "Roland Dane chequebook" brigade you see all over Facebook:

Team representatives:
Brad Jones
Rod Nash
Todd Kelly
Tim Edwards
Ryan Story (alternate)

Management:
Sean Seamer (CEO)
Shane Howard (COO)
Adrian Burgess (in place of Dave Stuart?)

It is most interesting that Tickford has 2 seats on the commission.

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by Mixer

Really?

Yes.

Originally Posted by Mixer

I have no doubt Scotty Mac will still brain everybody, but really other than maybe Waters, the others have been flattered by a car that was demonstrably better than everything else.

That seems highly unlikely. It is well known that DJRTP and Tickford are top operators, the best of the best!

Don't you think it would be a travesty if aces like Waters and Davidson are bumped from their rightful place in the top 5, by this unprecedented adjustment to make their motor vehicles worse?

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

That seems highly unlikely. It is well known that DJRTP and Tickford are top operators, the best of the best!

Best of the best?
Except for that factory Holden team that runs out of Banyo which has won just about everything every year for a decade or more..

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

That seems highly unlikely. It is well known that DJRTP and Tickford are top operators, the best of the best!

Tickford, other than a Bathurst they really shouldn't have won but for fixing their car under a red flag stoppage, and a championship for Frosty that nobody can remember, have been the highest funded yet most disappointing team in the Supercar championship for most of the last 15 or so years.

Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

Don't you think it would be a travesty if aces like Waters and Davidson are bumped from their rightful place in the top 5, by this unprecedented adjustment to make their motor vehicles worse?

Waters is fast but still immature, case in point taking out Scotty Mac on the formation lap at the GP.

Supercars results so far of 19th, 8th and 16th are a highlight for your crack Tickford outfit...

As for Will Davison he is a journeyman, he has placed 2nd, 3rd and 4th in the Supercar championship over the years, but I don't think he is anywhere near an Ace. His 2016 Bathurst win makes him the Stephen Bradbury of Supercars competition.

[Forda]

Originally Posted by Mixer

Tickford, other than a Bathurst they really shouldn't have won but for fixing their car under a red flag stoppage, and a championship for Frosty that nobody can remember, have been the highest funded yet most disappointing team in the Supercar championship for most of the last 15 or so years.

FPR actually achieved two Bathurst wins in a row, plus a championship, and all within a two year period; which *most* people remember.

Strange you're now claiming TR to be "the highest funded" team; yet you also claim at any possible opportunity, whether it's even relevant or not, they receive cut-price sponsorship income.
Which one is it? Can you get your story straight?

Originally Posted by Mixer

Waters is fast but still immature, case in point taking out Scotty Mac on the formation lap at the GP.

Supercars results so far of 19th, 8th and 16th are a highlight for your crack Tickford outfit...

As for Will Davison he is a journeyman, he has placed 2nd, 3rd and 4th in the Supercar championship over the years, but I don't think he is anywhere near an Ace. His 2016 Bathurst win makes him the Stephen Bradbury of Supercars competition.

Makes him similar to other 'journeymen', like for example Courtney, or Reynolds, or Tander; in terms of a once in a decade success milestone.

[Forda]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Best of the best?
Except for that factory Holden team that runs out of Banyo which has won just about everything every year for a decade or more..

They haven't won much recently though; and 'purple patches' don't last forever.

[Jerico]

COG testing after two rounds of the championship. Something Supercar should have been doing after every new build pre season. The 200kph wind test is great if they all raced in a straight line at 200kph. Tickford is not happy with the ruling and I don't blame them. I'd love to be racing a car that has been built to have a clear advantage over the other makes of cars in the field. Lets see at the next round if the Mustangs have to start putting some wing into their cars and take up the first five placing. Wasn't hard to see that the Mustangs had a mechanical advantage somewhere, fastest cars on track with next to no wing needed compared to the other brands. People still crying on that the ZB had an aero advantage over the falcon, really who won the championship last year? I think there was nothing in it at all. the ZB wasn't the jet they said it would be with the more sloping roof line and considering it's a bit of a brick in the front. The Ford teams would know the COG of the falcon and knew it was in the window of the other two brands. So went from *****ing about the ZB last year to exploiting the COG in their new build the next in the way of round 30kgs and it's not just the fact of putting the 30kgs in the roof, but the weight will be coming out of the lower extremities of the car also. Next round will be interesting.

[Umai Naa]

So much semanticism in here right now.

Kinda wish you clowns would just take a chill pill and enjoy the sport for what it is.

[Compromised]

Originally Posted by Umai Naa

So much semanticism in here right now.

Kinda wish you clowns would just take a chill pill and enjoy the sport for what it is.

Bit rich to sook about the rabble - who rouses them?

If Supercars did these things at appropriate times, behind closed doors, no one (bar team/industry insiders) would even have to know. When they started to envision 2 door vs 4 door maybe they should have also made sure they had a satisfactory method of balancing such different cars, before letting them race and claim championship points?

Or you know, they could claim parity is "as close a ever", then it's not, then there's in season changes, all this fuelling conspiracy theorist and diehard alike.

If you run the series professionally, maybe you'll have fans representative of that. I feel like, in that regard, Supercars have the fans they deserve.

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by Forda

Strange you're now claiming TR to be "the highest funded" team; yet you also claim at any possible opportunity, whether it's even relevant or not, they receive cut-price sponsorship income.
Which one is it? Can you get your story straight?

They had plenty of Ford money and undercut other teams because they had it.

Makes him similar to other 'journeymen', like for example Courtney, or Reynolds, or Tander; in terms of

Originally Posted by Forda

a once in a decade success milestone.

You know, other than the fact that those guys have won championships, and one of them was an F1 test driver...

Despite Will's family pedigree he is nothing better than average now. Capable but only in the top 3 because of the car.

[Driver TBA]

6kg difference between the ZB and composite Altima. Wonder what the difference was with the steel panel clad Altima and FG-X. Barry Ryan claims 2 rounds too late for COG testing. More like 12 months and 2 rounds....

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[chavez]

Originally Posted by Mixer

Waters is fast but still immature, case in point taking out Scotty Mac on the formation lap at the GP.

No what the vision showed.

[Forda]

Originally Posted by Mixer

They had plenty of Ford money and undercut other teams because they had it.

Makes him similar to other 'journeymen', like for example Courtney, or Reynolds, or Tander; in terms of

You know, other than the fact that those guys have won championships, and one of them was an F1 test driver...

Despite Will's family pedigree he is nothing better than average now. Capable but only in the top 3 because of the car.

He's as "average" as Courtney, Reynolds, and pretty much most of the field.

F1 'test driver' - what good is that to anyone.

9 years at HRT/WAU and absolutely nothing achieved. Zero, zip, zilch, nada.
No doubt he'll be due for another pay rise soon.

[mayhem]

So two hypotheticals for next weekend:

- All 6 Mustangs in the Top ten....what happens next?

- All 6 Mustangs miss the Top ten....what happens next?

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by mayhem

So two hypotheticals for next weekend:

- All 6 Mustangs in the Top ten....what happens next?

- All 6 Mustangs miss the Top ten....what happens next?

If all stangs are in the top ten supercars will attack their aero.

No stangs in the top ten then no action to be taken, mission accomplished by supercars.

[Maggo]

How should that weight added?
Makes no sense to increase the overall weight of the cars, so the kilogramms that are added somewhere in the roof area has to be reduced somewhere else!
But depending on where they take away the weight (mufflers) that also has influence on CoG.

[M91]

Originally Posted by mayhem

So two hypotheticals for next weekend:

- All 6 Mustangs in the Top ten....what happens next?

- All 6 Mustangs miss the Top ten....what happens next?

The new Parc Fermé rules in place for Tasmania will make it difficult to judge any performance lost/gained.
PHilip Island will be the first round that we will be able judge performance.

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by bluesport

If all stangs are in the top ten supercars will attack their aero.

No stangs in the top ten then no action to be taken, mission accomplished by supercars.

Ford fans bloody well hope not.

For the finest teams in the series, with Ford Performance having done the best job, to be penalised this way through a rule that didn't exist before seems most outrageous and untenable.

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

Ford fans bloody well hope not.

For the finest teams in the series, with Ford Performance having done the best job, to be penalised this way through a rule that didn't exist before seems most outrageous and untenable.

It's all about holden, look at how long nissan struggled for and nobody worried about CoG or anything else to help them, hence nissan left the series.

[Jam3s]

Originally Posted by bluesport

It's all about holden, look at how long nissan struggled for and nobody worried about CoG or anything else to help them, hence nissan left the series.

I don't recall any Ford teams shouting in support for Nissan.

They also cannot "attack" the Ford aero because they don't have a means to test it to see where any advantage lies. The straight line tests were equal and signed off on and that's as much data that they have on aerodynamics.

[chavez]

Originally Posted by Jam3s

I don't recall any Ford teams shouting in support for Nissan.

They also cannot "attack" the Ford aero because they don't have a means to test it to see where any advantage lies. The straight line tests were equal and signed off on and that's as much data that they have on aerodynamics.

With Nissan's being run by only one team, and a not very successful team, how can one draw any conclusions?

Matt White Racing have repeatedly demonstrated that the Nissan is more than a match for its' peers.

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by chavez

With Nissan's being run by only one team, and a not very successful team, how can one draw any conclusions?

Matt White Racing have repeatedly demonstrated that the Nissan is more than a match for its' peers.

It would be interesting to see MWM run a wildcard at Bathurst, and anywhere else they want to run, to compare pace with the mother ship...