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Old 27 Mar 2003, 13:45 (Ref:550028)   #16
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Do the governing member of the ACO smoke crack? The sebring entry list was great- how about that one plus any new ones, what is the Maximum at LeMans? surely 75 cars can be accomodated- the MOrgan please, knighthawk, MG's, and taurus...these were good teams at sebring and theALMS so why not
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Old 27 Mar 2003, 14:09 (Ref:550055)   #17
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Le mans is restricted to 50 cars for at least 2 reasons.
1. There are only 50 pit garages (48 till last year)while it would be possible to build a few more the pit straight is not long enough for 10 let alone 20 more.
2. The F.I.A goverern the capacity for the track and give the approval not the A.C.O.

Unless we know for certain that a team entered and was turned down, as with Morgan, I feel it is unfair to have a go at the A.C.O.
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Old 27 Mar 2003, 14:38 (Ref:550078)   #18
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I actually can't understand peoples affection and enthusiasm for the Morgan, because it looks so ugly (IMO), and doesn't look like it has the aerodynamics to get above 100mph. Although I agree it did impress last year. i guess if it is still quick it should be admitted. I'd rather see a little Panoz, Maserati, TVR or Lotus in their though. - Or Honda NSX, Toyota Supra or Nissan Skyline. And surely a Mosler MT900R is acceptable.
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Old 27 Mar 2003, 14:46 (Ref:550083)   #19
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agreed nordic. in the lmps i'm not sure that many more applied for a berth....most people thought around 17...16 were accepted.

in the case of gt...the racers group probably had a better case to get their second porsche in(didn't they win the class last year)than two tvrs...so at least the aco is looking for variety.

the mgs? don't they always expire at midnight? at least you can always see that yellow wr peddling around at 1pm sunday!
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Old 27 Mar 2003, 14:49 (Ref:550087)   #20
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Both TVR's are in probably as a result of their astounding show at Sebring
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Old 27 Mar 2003, 14:55 (Ref:550093)   #21
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Tim Northcutt should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridTim Northcutt should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridTim Northcutt should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridTim Northcutt should be qualifying in the top 3 on the grid
I'm not taking shots at the ACO...I just think that the teams who are given the opportunity to compete in such a big event should "earn" it...not be "chosen" for whatever reason...

Let's say that a week may be too much time to shut down the streets...how about doubling the days that they shut it down for PQ and condensing the practice and Qualifying schedule???

That can't be much more of a burden than PQ is already...

Why not pick another long European Circuit where you could set up such a "qualifying" opportunity as another option????


My general thoughts are that the best teams should be racing in the biggest endurance race on the planet....

Politics, nationalistic preferences (if that is really an issue...I don't know if it is..)or any number of "alleged" subjective criteria should be removed from the equation.....

People will claim that politics or whatever are a part of the equation until an objective way is determined to set the field...a format like I have suggested is, if nothing else, objective...

The competitors are decided "On The Track"
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Old 27 Mar 2003, 15:19 (Ref:550110)   #22
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If the entry was decided on race results at Sebring, Would the Lister deserve an entry or the Nasmax or Zonda. None shone there but have the pace in the car.
If the PQ was extended as a way to determine the final list, a small accident could result in some of the best cars being ruled out.

No method is going to be perfect, at least this way teams dont go to massive expense only be be ruled out at the last moment.
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Old 27 Mar 2003, 15:20 (Ref:550115)   #23
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Some ramblings from the north...

Let's start with the essentials... The GT-class: I'm glad the Morgan didn't make it! I'm sorry but I think the car's just plain ugly. I know it's the inside that counts and all but...
I have to admit though that I admire it's abilities, it did beat the Spyker and Ferraris and based on that it should have got an invitation from the ACO.

Yes, it's a shame there is no BMW M3 GTR because that car was the only one that really had a chance to beat the Porsches. But BMW never managed to start the production of a road version - which Porsche quickly pointed out. The penalties in combination with the F1-programme killed a great sportscar of the future. Do I sense a little GM/Cadillac-ish feeling here?

Two TVRs is fantastic and four Ferrari 360s, with two Risi-cars, must give Porsche some competition providing the Italians have done their homework and crammed some reliability in their cars (2nd on Daytona looks promising!).
One Spyker is realistic and fair but it would have been more fun with two.

LMP675: Only one MG-Lola? Now there is the true scandal of the list! This year is the last chance for them to get on the overall podium before next years weight penalty. What are ACOs intentions with only one MG? To prevent MG that chance? And what happened to the factory team?
WR is well worth its double invitation. They came second in class with a chance to win had it not been that puncture and that's more than you can say about the MGs. But when it comes to speed and performance...
It will be interresting to see how the C65 and DBA-Zytek will perform in june but the Reynard-Lehmann will probably outlast them all and win the class as usual...

LMGTS: Great with three ferraris but other than that nothing unexpected.

LMP900/GTP: Nothing that really raises eyebrows but the Norma-Ford and the Durango. The Taurus-Lola on the reserve list is strange but as said before, there has to be some withdrawals.
Hooray, Lister's on the list! Let's hope they last the full 24 hours and hopefully with a good result. Especially since this is the first year of a five year programme.

Well, did I forget something? Probably, but in that case I'll be back...

Oh, BTW, a GT-car that has come 6th overall at Le Mans and 1st overall at Daytona can't be boring. But that's just my opinion i guess.

Sorry for the length of this message but I couldn't stop...

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Old 27 Mar 2003, 15:23 (Ref:550118)   #24
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It wasn't so long ago that the ACO's "Test Day" was actually called "Pre-Qualifying" (in fact some people still refer to it as "PQ"), whereby additional cars would be invited to fight for the places - remember Andy Wallace's heroic efforts to get the Panoz through PQ in 1997?

I still feel that in general, the ACO tend to get it about right and I certainly wouldn't agree that the Le Mans entry should be decided purely on Sebring performance, although, as an indicator, it no doubts helps the ACO to decide in those cases where they have 3-4 cars competing for 1-2 places.
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Old 27 Mar 2003, 15:24 (Ref:550120)   #25
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In other forms of racing, if "one of the fastest cars" stacks his car in qualifying...too badd...that's racing....try to qualify your back-up car....

Subjective selection ( if it is in fact subjective...I don't know that, nor can I prove it) of a field for the most prestigious endurance race in the world is a total crock....
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Old 27 Mar 2003, 15:42 (Ref:550139)   #26
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i know the morgan looked strange...but the bmw m3 looks like an etcc car!

wasn't there nearly 100 entries a few years ago? plus the fact that the race is run on public roads makes a lot of difference to a normal race.
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Old 27 Mar 2003, 16:02 (Ref:550163)   #27
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I think the Morgan should have been on the list, even as a reserve.
It looks unlikey that any other MGs where entered, and as Dyson pulled out that does just leave the one car, so it is possible that all the proposed MG's are in!
I agree with KDR that while the BMW is fast it has no place in a sports car race, if BMW wanted to enter a Z8 or Z3......

On balance I would rather the A.C.O contine to pick the list and ensure that the teams are able to prepare better. We just have to expect a few 'friends' get the invite from the A.C.O.
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The entry is not entirely subjective as there are a number of entries based on Merit, such and the previous years winners in each class and, I think, the winners of Petit LeMans in each class.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Nordic
[B]I think the Morgan should have been on the list, even as a reserve.
It looks unlikey that any other MGs where entered, and as Dyson pulled out that does just leave the one car, so it is possible that all the proposed MG's are in!
I agree with KDR that while the BMW is fast it has no place in a sports car race, if BMW wanted to enter a Z8 or Z3......

or an lmr v12...
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I agree with you Mal. There's an old saying, of course, "You can't please all the people all the time.....".

And as for the BMW M3, I really can't be bothered to post what I think about this Touring Car again....
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