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Old 11 Jun 2003, 18:15 (Ref:628576)   #31
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Why do we need a touring class?

Why should the ACO create a class just for BMW?

I fail to understand the interest in this. If BMW want to play, let them build another great car like the LMR.
Maybe BMW will be back soon with a V10 engined car (not an LMP BTW)
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Old 11 Jun 2003, 18:50 (Ref:628633)   #32
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I agree, but Im just wondering when the 2004 regs come back into play how much faster GTS cars will be than they are now, especially if big budget manufacturers join, I dont think they would be quite GT1 standard but running in the 3:45's I dont think would be out of the question.

I also think Prodrive could spring a suprise this weekend, the restricotrs have affected the LMP cars much more than the GTS and GT cars, and therefore GTS machines have closed the gap to them, they were faster than all the LMP 675 machines barring the DBA in testing after all. And Gavin has said that he thinks that Prodrive still have some performance in hand.

Still only time will tell I guess, I for one woudnt be suprised to see them better what Oreca did in 2000, that is finish in the top 8..
You need to relise however that the 2004 regs are the same as 2003 for GTS, but we will see more advanced chassis eventually. Its FIA GT that are a year behind ACO regs in allowing carbon chassis. I think with 10% more power in 2004 a GTS could just about get under 3.50 but an quicker would be a stretch. The best LMPs will be around 3.30 and maybe even quicker. Stil a big gap. But I do really enjoy GTS as well. The more LMP and GTS cars the better.

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Old 11 Jun 2003, 20:37 (Ref:628816)   #33
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No, no, no, no,no - well certainly not at Le Mans.

It's not a touring car race - its a sportscar race. It doesn't need a touring car class. There are plenty enough entries each year without adding touring cars - why? Sorry, you leave me speechless......
One of the main reasons I got interested in Road Racing/Le Mans is because of the adversity of cars allowed to compete in the same race. You could have a Toyota GT-One against a Porsche 911. I'm just saying, I wouldn't think another class would hurt, even if it did include "non-sportscars".

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If BMW wants to play, let them build another great car like the LMR.
I'm not saying they shouldn't do that. But possibly having another class may give manufacturers a way to show off some of their production cars. It will also give some manufacturers a chance to be in the 24 Hours when they didn't have a chance before.

Sorry, that's just my opinion. I don't mean to enrage anyone.
No hard feelings?



P.S. IMO, the more cars, the better!

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Old 12 Jun 2003, 05:57 (Ref:629120)   #34
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Diversity is the word you were looking for there. I agree. It was great seeing the real GT cars out there with the prototypes And the line between GT and Touring is rather blurred in this day and age as the homologation rules seem to change or be ignored in amny series.

IMSA has never differentiated between the BMW and Porsche products, going back to the old 3.0 CSL V 911 battles. Technically a Touring v GT battle but really competing on an equal footing.

At one point, I don't seem to remember exactly where, Porsche even had the 911 homolgated or accepted as a touring car...

If BMW builds a run of cars like Porsches GT3, and the new M3 CSL seems a step in that direction, then why should they not be classified with the 911s?
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I'm not saying they shouldn't do that. But possibly having another class may give manufacturers a way to show off some of their production cars. It will also give some manufacturers a chance to be in the 24 Hours when they didn't have a chance before.

Sorry, that's just my opinion. I don't mean to enrage anyone.
No hard feelings?



P.S. IMO, the more cars, the better!

As a general statement, yes, the more manufacturers involved in racing the better - no problem. But, with respect, you're still missing the very essence of my point - Le Mans is (and always should be, IMO) a sportscar race. It isn't a manufacturer showcase nor do the ACO or anyone else connected with the race have any obligation at all to create a class for touring cars. The whole idea is completely otiose. (pardon my French....)

BTW, I'm not enraged at all, I'm happy for the debate. Keeping Le Mans for sportscars happens to touch on a nerve though......
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But, with respect, you're still missing the very essence of my point - Le Mans is (and always should be, IMO) a sportscar race. It isn't a manufacturer showcase nor do the ACO or anyone else connected with the race have any obligation at all to create a class for touring cars.
Where does that leave the Morgan, then?
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