Brabham BT28 - Page 6

**John Turner** · 27 Apr 2006, 22:51 (Ref:1596595)

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Originally Posted by Fingers

More news if anyone is interested as we discover things.

Richard, we are interested in any new info. you discover, so please keep it coming!

Fingers · 2 May 2006, 13:28 (Ref:1599369)

So we are down to the bare chassis and the car, which was looking vaguely OK, is now a pile of bits. The good news is that I have the Arch Motors chassis number now. The number is stamped on a plate at the left hand rear chassis end and the numbers are as follows AM 69/11 and then it looks like it might be the letters DJI or DJL. We think these might be the initials of the chap who actually made this chssis at Arch Motors. What do you chaps think?

Richard Davies

**John Turner** · 8 May 2006, 11:46 (Ref:1603254)

Richard Urwin's BT28 at Brands Hatch Superprix, 6 May 2006

Andrew Fellowes · 8 May 2006, 22:09 (Ref:1603781)

Thank you John for the wonderful photos. Chassis number? -I dont think I have been paying attention again!

Alan Brown · 10 May 2006, 07:14 (Ref:1604826)

Richard Urwin's car carries the plate BT28-31 (1970) - Holbay rocker cover.

**John Turner** · 11 May 2006, 07:31 (Ref:1605681)

Noting the dicussion re the ex Jowsey car, I'm assuming this is it. Rather dark photo, I'm afraid but this was taken at last year's Brands Superprix, 24 July 2005:-

Andrew Fellowes · 12 May 2006, 07:03 (Ref:1606708)

BT28-42
Vic Preston – East Africa
nothing more till
200? Chris Ball (FORCE)

allenbrown · 18 May 2006, 19:20 (Ref:1613687)

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Originally Posted by RAP

A few (hopefully helpfull) comments on Andrew's List-
BT28-7 (see #17)
Frank Williams/John Kendle –Richard Scott I think Kendall was #17 and my guess is that #7 went to Sweden where Pettersen, Svensson, Ellakar and Dieden all have cars by June so must be early chassis with Tejby adding another by the end of June
1970 Peter Hull –(maybe #17)

BT28-17 up-rated to BT30 spec (see #7 maybe Peter Hull)
Harry Stiller, later Kidsley and Squires as hill climb with 750cc BD no trace of Stiller in a BT28 in 1969. Formula 1 Register records Kendall in #17 9 Nov 69. Kendall first appears 10 Aug so this fits numerically. In 1970 F1R records Scott in #17 22 Aug. Kendall races up to 9 Aug, presumably in #17, then Scott's own car (#26) goes to Stiller and Scott takes over team-mate Kendalls car - source Autosport 3 Sept 70

I can add a little to this BT28/7 or BT28/17 debate. Kendall wins a libre race at Castle Comble on Saturday 12 July 1969 in what Autosport call his "new F3 Brabham-Holbay BT28". The very next day he won another libre at Brands (Autosport 18 Jul 1969 pp33, 36)

Allen

allenbrown · 18 May 2006, 20:30 (Ref:1613759)

... and he was out at Brands Sunday 27 July, finishing third in a libre.

allenbrown · 19 May 2006, 08:11 (Ref:1614027)

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Originally Posted by RAP

BT28-22
Colin Crang? debut 17 Nov 69. Autosport says Crang has new car by 13 Sept but "will not race it until his Merlyn FF is sold"Then to Luigi Battistello with Alfa engine?

If it only debuted on 17 Nov then it didn't last long as it was "totalled" in testing at Brands on Saturday 22 Nov (Autosport 27 Nov 1969 p18).

It's amazing what you find in libre reports.

As well as Crang, Kendall was a DNA as his BT28 "still doesn't run properly".

Allen

IANHEB · 19 May 2006, 10:41 (Ref:1614125)

Andrew
BT28-42,East Africa.
I can confirm that a chassis/car was located in Kenya in 2000 and was sent to the UK.
Ian

allenbrown · 19 May 2006, 11:17 (Ref:1614140)

An addition to BT28-20's history in red below:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Fellowes

Revised list for BT28-20

1969 Autosport Sept 25th for sale, 2 races only, win 1st time out. 450 pounds Loddonvale 5381

Mike Stow sells to Dick Barker

Dick Barker Mallory Boxing Day libre in "his ex-Mike Stowe Brabham BT28". There's a picture of it and the caption says it's "his first outing in his new F3 Brabham BT28".

9-05-1970 Castle Combe Lombank Trophy, BT28 Ford Lucas, 4th
17-5-1970 Cadwell Park, Lombank Trophy, BT28 Ford Lucas 2nd
?-05-1970 Mallory F Libre Race, BT28 Ford Lucas, 1st
1970 17th Dec. for sale Bob Howlings

1971 25th March p.35 to Alan Joy
Alan Joy 1971
21st March, 12th
2nd May, DNS
16th May, DNA
17th July, DNQ
1st Aug, DNA
15th Aug, DNS
21st Aug, DNS
22nd Aug, 11th
26th Sept, DNA
3rd Oct ,DNA
9th Oct, DNA
1971 7th A/S th October Joy offers the car for sale

1972 2nd March Spencer Elton for sale as ex Stow/Barker/Joy
1972 raced by Barker
1972 raced by Wadham Smith? Once only? dates?

1973 11th Jan. for sale by Elton Motors as es Stow/Barker/Joy/ Wadham-Smith
1973 5th April Barker advertises his BT29 for sale A/S p.64
1973 19th April Barker advertises his BT28 for sale A/S
1974 Advertised for sale by Low Cost Racing?

Andrew Fellowes · 19 May 2006, 20:55 (Ref:1614450)

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Originally Posted by allenbrown

It's amazing what you find in libre reports.

I'll second that, but would you agree the irritation with Brabhams is that they sometimes get listed by what they have been uprated to.

allenbrown · 20 May 2006, 08:41 (Ref:1614722)

Sometimes, yes, but most of the time the Autosport journalists appear to do their best to tell you what it really is.

**John Turner** · 22 May 2006, 14:53 (Ref:1616356)

BT28-42 of Chris Ball (which, as I have been advised, is entered in historic races as a BT29 - see also BT29 thread) in the pit garage at Silverstone on 21 May 2006:-

Andrew Fellowes · 23 Oct 2006, 03:16 (Ref:1745707)

After posting on the BT35 thread I noticed the same Prescott results sheet for April 1980 has P. Kidsley and P. Squires out with their Brabham BT28 Cosworth 1100cc, no. 128 and 128a, Kidsley taking 2nd in class 0.04 behind R Ward's Chevron B9/15. (ref. Denis Lupton)

Is this #12 or #17?

Ted Walker · 23 Oct 2006, 07:11 (Ref:1745781)

Its 17 Andrew. I think its now owned by Tommy Reid in Ireland.

**John Turner** · 23 Oct 2006, 09:08 (Ref:1745873)

BT28 - 32 (Engine no. 2733 60 15A) seen for sale at Silverstone, 21 October:-

Wayne Mitchell · 3 Nov 2006, 02:38 (Ref:1756749)

For the pundits! I purchased BT28-14 new through Motor Racing Enterprises, Bourne end in May 1969. I ran it all year until I left UK for Calif and it went with me in addition to 4 BT-29's which I subsequently sold to Jay Jamison and others. The 28 was converted with the addition of a Vegantune Fuel Injected engine to F/B with the appropriate Front Brake caliper and rotor change. The car was sold to a Jack Brabban, no relation and not a spelling error in Calif where he ran it a few times in California Regional and National SCCA races. It has not been seen sincve and I look for it always.
And the BT28-5. As I was looking for my 28 comes the 28 of Keith Jupp which I ran with in UK a few years earlier. I did a deal and purchased it.
The recorded owners of this car are:
Imported to USA by Joe Grimaldi
Sold to Joe DeAso 1971, used 2 schools
Sold to Anthony Barbose in mid 70's and never run
Sold to Walt Hagstrom, Dealer
Sold to Dave Lewis, Never run
Sold to Wayne Mitchell, stored in a Brabham friendly enviroment with Bt-21's and a BT9 all around. Currently returned from sale to Dave Bankes as trade on a more desireable BT-21.
And so there you have it and it's the truth, not conjecture.
Cheers Y'all, Wayne Mitchell. BT2, BT9, BT21 (2), BT 28

Andrew Fellowes · 3 Nov 2006, 02:53 (Ref:1756754)

Fantastic stuff, some more gaps filled.

My best wishes go with you in finding #14, I hope you succeed.

allenbrown · 3 Nov 2006, 07:55 (Ref:1756857)

Thanks very much Wayne!

Anuauto · 3 Nov 2006, 22:16 (Ref:1757421)

Re: the car raced in Guyana in 1972 by Jimmy Fuller.
This thread seems to believe it was BT28-8 (converted to BT35 spec) and in Tom Belso's actual ownership at the time? I am in Antigua next month and may be asked to bring back to UK (for conversion to Video/DVD) some amateur film taken of this car racing in Guyana. I saw the film two years ago and there are some close ups shot in the paddock (but not close enough to see the chassis number!). I have a contact there who could pass questions to Jimmy Fuller or possibly put me in touch with him but I am not sure what exactly needs to be asked to get any more clarification. Maybe all I can get is confirmation that it was hired from Belso, went out on the BOAC flight with other cars and went back to UK afterwards? Any suggestions (I am mainly into saloon cars and am not a single seater chassis expert)? (and should I also ask about the BT38(C?) driven by Fuller in UK F3 in 1973?)

allenbrown · 4 Nov 2006, 10:20 (Ref:1757644)

Don't we have two other Brabhams that went to that area at one point? Maybe you could ask about them too. Can anyone remind me which ones they were?

Allen

Andrew Fellowes · 4 Nov 2006, 21:16 (Ref:1757910)

BT30-12 was one, 1974 Chris Sherret, then I have a gap 'till Bobby Howlings in '86 (source not recorded) and then Mike Freeman. Sorry, bit wafty!

Andrew

Andrew Fellowes · 21 Nov 2006, 00:40 (Ref:1771078)

Cars that went to the Caribbean,
BT21, BT28, BT30, BT35.

Anuauto if you have time & can sort the Schenken-Belso story that would be great. I envy your holiday,

Could this be possible, from ZHAUST forum,
BT28-23
1971 for sale by Keith Wright
bought by Andrew Cheeks, tc installed & sent to Trinidad. Sold to Ralph 'Bizzy' Williams, 1975 Bizzy sold to Jamaica

Andrew

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