|
||||||||||
|
||||||||||
6 Dec 2004, 12:42 (Ref:1172199) | #1 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 5,721
|
The future of the DTM
Yes, I know this is the sportscar and GT forum, but bear with me.
When the DTM/ITC collapsed at the end of 1996, Mercedes-Benz, the only manufacturer still committed after the withdrawal of Opel and Alfa Romeo, switched across to the then-new FIA GT Championship. So, might Mercedes-Benz be tempted to do the same for 2006 if the DTM can't find a new manufacturer to replace Opel? Audi will have their new prototype to race and so might decide that spending all that money just competing against Mercedes-Benz isn't worth it. AMG Mercedes-Benz SL600 for GTs? |
||
__________________
Interviewer: "Will the McLaren F1 be your answer to the Ferrari F40?" Gordon Murray: "Hmm... I don't think we have anyone at McLaren who can weld that badly..." |
6 Dec 2004, 12:48 (Ref:1172207) | #2 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 6,958
|
I'm not so certain that Mercedes would come back to Sportscars after their flying car tricks. Yes, I appreciate that the odds of a "GT" flying are much less then the LMP's and Real GT1 class were, yet that black eye is still there.
I would think that if we were to see Daimler/Chrysler again, it would be a new Viper and now an Uber Coupe from Mercedes. |
||
|
6 Dec 2004, 13:47 (Ref:1172295) | #3 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 5,721
|
Could the SL600 be made into a reasonable GT car? The V12 is, I think, normally-aspirated (of course the supercharged V8s are problematic).
|
||
__________________
Interviewer: "Will the McLaren F1 be your answer to the Ferrari F40?" Gordon Murray: "Hmm... I don't think we have anyone at McLaren who can weld that badly..." |
6 Dec 2004, 15:15 (Ref:1172457) | #4 | ||
Registered User
Racer
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 235
|
What is the maximum capacity for a blown motor in FIA GT?
|
||
|
6 Dec 2004, 15:17 (Ref:1172462) | #5 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Oct 2001
Posts: 3,580
|
Quote:
And as this message is too short, here's a few more words. Happy now? |
|||
__________________
Oops |
6 Dec 2004, 15:51 (Ref:1172497) | #6 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Jan 2002
Posts: 7,366
|
Quote:
|
|||
__________________
Sportscar Racing fans of the world Unite! |
6 Dec 2004, 15:53 (Ref:1172501) | #7 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 5,721
|
And supercharged engines are banned anyway, aren't they? Or maybe not. Someone will know.
|
||
__________________
Interviewer: "Will the McLaren F1 be your answer to the Ferrari F40?" Gordon Murray: "Hmm... I don't think we have anyone at McLaren who can weld that badly..." |
6 Dec 2004, 16:41 (Ref:1172540) | #8 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Oct 2001
Posts: 3,580
|
From the FIA GT regulations:
5.4 Supercharged engines The maximum capacity of supercharged engines is 4000cm³. 5.4.1) A compressor and/or turbocharger may only be used if such systems are fitted to the road car homologated by the FIA or from the list of acceptable cars drawn up by the FIA or if the car is homologated in N-GT and has a normally aspirated engine as standard. If the car is homologated in N-GT and has a normally aspirated engine as standard, the supercharging system must be homologated in VO by the manufacturer. For cars from the list of "Super Cars", the whole original supercharging system must be retained and not modified, with the exception of exchangers and pipes between the supercharging device, the intercooler and the manifold. 5.4.2) The engine air intake system must be fitted with one or two air restrictors 3 mm long with maximum diameters set out in Appendix 2. They must be made of metal or metal alloy and must be entirely visible once the bonnet is open and without dismounting any element or cover. 5.4.3) All restrictors must be placed no further than 50 mm from the forward face of the compressor wheel blades. 5.4.4) All the air feeding the engine must pass through these restrictors. Sealing the restrictors must lead to the immediate stopping of the engine. This check must be made at an engine speed of 2500 rpm. Pressure sensors present inside the intake system must be disconnected. 5.4.5) The right is reserved, by the Sporting Authority of the relevant Championship, to adjust the size of these air restrictors to maximise equality of performance. 5.4.6) Supercharged cars must not be equipped with any device which allows the boost pressure, or the electronic management system controlling the boost pressure, to be adjusted while the car is in motion. 5.4.7) Variable diameter inlets and adjustable internal vanes on turbochargers are forbidden. If the original car is fitted with such a system, this system must be neutralised or dismounted. |
||
__________________
Oops |
6 Dec 2004, 16:42 (Ref:1172541) | #9 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Oct 2001
Posts: 3,580
|
Quote:
|
|||
__________________
Oops |
6 Dec 2004, 17:25 (Ref:1172583) | #10 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 5,721
|
Ah well, in any event, the blown V8s are too big for GT1, so it would have to be a normally-aspirated engine anyway.
|
||
__________________
Interviewer: "Will the McLaren F1 be your answer to the Ferrari F40?" Gordon Murray: "Hmm... I don't think we have anyone at McLaren who can weld that badly..." |
6 Dec 2004, 17:40 (Ref:1172592) | #11 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 10,500
|
Whats the chances of Mercedes entering PROCAR with their DTM cars. Afterall the series does have a touring car 'special' class.
I wouldn't rule out a LMP or GT project as they could compete in the LMES, ALMS and also FIA GT if they chose the GT1 route. They do not neccessarily have to enter Le Mans. They refused to race their in 1990 when it was not a World Championship event. Then again with the new aero regs in LMP1 they may well be willing to race again. Last edited by JAG; 6 Dec 2004 at 17:41. |
|
|
6 Dec 2004, 21:02 (Ref:1172807) | #12 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Oct 2001
Posts: 3,580
|
Quote:
|
|||
__________________
Oops |
6 Dec 2004, 23:44 (Ref:1172943) | #13 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 5,721
|
Well, I could foresee circumstances under which the DTM folded and they had to find a home somewhere. Procar isn't such a stretch.
|
||
__________________
Interviewer: "Will the McLaren F1 be your answer to the Ferrari F40?" Gordon Murray: "Hmm... I don't think we have anyone at McLaren who can weld that badly..." |
7 Dec 2004, 00:00 (Ref:1172954) | #14 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 567
|
maybe they would enter the nurburgring 24 hours as well. every other german manufacturer with a car that is eligable seems to.
|
||
|
7 Dec 2004, 07:16 (Ref:1173101) | #15 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Oct 2001
Posts: 3,580
|
Quote:
Only one will be left next year. |
|||
__________________
Oops |
7 Dec 2004, 14:30 (Ref:1173480) | #16 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 8,738
|
Quote:
In the latest Opel and Audi press release they don't mention any participation in 24 hours of Nurburgring |
||
|
7 Dec 2004, 15:55 (Ref:1173551) | #17 | ||||
Veteran
Join Date: Oct 2001
Posts: 3,580
|
Quote:
Quote:
Last edited by cybersdorf; 7 Dec 2004 at 15:55. |
||||
__________________
Oops |
7 Dec 2004, 17:52 (Ref:1173644) | #18 | ||
Race Official
Veteran
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 18,739
|
Quote:
Quote:
Last edited by FIRE; 7 Dec 2004 at 17:53. |
||
|
7 Dec 2004, 21:06 (Ref:1173836) | #19 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Oct 2001
Posts: 3,580
|
Quote:
Given how strapped for cash Opel is right now, they will only bring the Astras back if someone pays for it all. I don't think they will be able to find such a generous sponsor. The Vectra is not developped for endurance racing at all. Dr. Ullrich of Audi stated that recently a works effort on the Ring is not on the 2005 agenda for Audi Sport. They don't want to showcase the TT anymore, and the A4 is not an endurance car (same thing as with the Vectra). With no open works competition, will BMW bother? |
|||
__________________
Oops |
7 Dec 2004, 21:13 (Ref:1173846) | #20 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 10,500
|
Quote:
Last edited by JAG; 7 Dec 2004 at 21:14. |
||
|
7 Dec 2004, 23:59 (Ref:1173966) | #21 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Oct 2001
Posts: 3,580
|
Why should they race the GTR at all, it's an obsolete model... - and they spend enough money on F1 and touringcars. BMW doesn't need the GTR anymore.
|
||
__________________
Oops |
8 Dec 2004, 00:09 (Ref:1173976) | #22 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 567
|
back on the subject of mercedes racing at lemans, i don't think they will be seen for a while unfortunately. it was bad enough publicity for the company in 1999, even without their unfortunate history at the track being bought up.
|
||
|
8 Dec 2004, 00:26 (Ref:1173981) | #23 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Oct 2001
Posts: 3,580
|
You need to look at it this way: Merc is the DTM. Without Merc's money, the other two would have packed up and left long ago. The regulations are tailor-made for Merc. Why should Merc go anywhere else, and face real competition?
|
||
__________________
Oops |
9 Dec 2004, 08:57 (Ref:1175077) | #24 | ||
Racer
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 138
|
I hope BMW will race the GTR at Spa 24hrs this year. the result this year was not that good and knowing BMW they will be back to get a result (stuck said something about the disappointing result and a possible comeback in an interview). They did the same this year at the ring 24hrs in 2003 they failed (but learned) and they won this year. So I think they will race the GTR at the Ring and Spa.
|
||
__________________
Racing MaX-5 NL |
9 Dec 2004, 09:58 (Ref:1175111) | #25 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 8,738
|
The GTR is obsolete with the new 3 series coming out next year.
|
|
|
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Future Changes | mabs_nsx | Formula One | 68 | 13 Aug 2005 13:06 |
The Future.........???? | AndyF | National & Club Racing | 54 | 4 Jul 2003 23:41 |
Future Tourer Future | Crash Test | Australasian Touring Cars. | 13 | 17 Jul 2002 23:01 |
What is the future? | Midge | Marshals Forum | 2 | 23 Jun 2002 20:55 |