SBF's 2011 thread

[bio]

I find no fault with this one. I see all five overtaging spots, too

The only thing I would consider is taking the right side of the track (everything right of - and including - the loop) and push it to the right a bit, thus extending the S/F straight, the back straight and the one with the bridge. I think the S/F straight and the bridge straight could do with some more length.

But it's a minor thing really, the tracks is fine.

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[ScotsBrutesFan]

Here are the current dimensions

I forgot to say that the track is ony 14m wide rather than my usual 14.5m.

[Teretonga]

I like it a lot. Very spectacular.....
Maybe Bernie will abandon Tilke and give you a go.... The double flyover is an awesome feature.

Its the sort of track you could enter for a design competition for an arab emirate or and rich oil baron somewhere....

[bio]

Well, Kuwait doesn't have a Grand Prix yet

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[ScotsBrutesFan]

I don't know if Kuwait wants to claim either that circuit or this my second February.

This anti clockwise circuit has 17 corners.
5.515 kms or 3.48 miles

The circuit dimensions are shown, in this case the track is 14.5m wide throughout.

No real elevation changes as I thought I'd keep this one fairly simple.

As usual comments criticism and edits are welcomed.

[Teretonga]

My only comment against anything on it is because I am not a fan of tight hairpins after the start... Just a personal thing.
Otherwise it is great circuit in the modern idiom. Everything is there.

Maybe run anticlockwise it might be just as interesting. Just shift the sandtraps.

[Purist]

You mean clockwise, right, Teretonga? (The track as shown does run counter clockwise.)

[Teretonga]

Originally Posted by Purist

You mean clockwise, right, Teretonga? (The track as shown does run counter clockwise.)

Yes purist. Correct. My mistake.

[tlongman]

I like this one a lot SBF. Good flow, good shape and some interesting corners. I especially like how the last turn unwinds like that. My only critique would be that the first corner might be a bit too tight. Something around the radius of the hairpin at Montreal might be a bit better, especially for the first turn. Just my opinion though.

[ECW Dan Selby]

I've tried making this in rFactor, SBF

The bridge is so tricky. I think i've actually modelled the track fairly well. I had tried doing one for SpeedingTortoise not long ago, but had so many difficulties. For whatever reason, this track seemed to work a little better.

I would show you some images but unfortunately, and I really mean unfortunately, i'm a work

Selby

[bio]

What's the problem with the bridge, Dan?

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[ECW Dan Selby]

I'll PM you mate, rather than clogging SBF's thread

Selby

[Yannick]

February 1, the Crossover, is nice and has a good flow, but the final fast Esse might have a runoff problem to do with the pitlane being so close. That kerb on the inside of the 1st half of the Esse better be extremely flat to nonexistent.

February 2 has got a Hugenholtz-y shape, but I'm sorry to say that for it to be a real Hugenholtz, it's too much on the Mickey-Mousey side. That can be fixed fairly easily, though. To do that, please remove the kink that is Turn 2 and have a straight run from the hairpin, T1 into T3. The next change would be the 2 right-handers of T3 and T4. In the configuration you have got now, they are way too much like Detroit Downtown. I'd turn them into one single bend, going round almost 180 degrees, the kind of sweeper you already have got elsewhere on the circuit. Only make it a symmetrical one this time around. You might lose a possible overtaking opportunity, but I think in this case, it's worth it.
The next change I see comes after the Esses of T5 and T6. The corner that enters the backstretch, T7, is too tight and I feel it needs a larger radius for the track to be really Hugenholtz-y. In turn, the corner at the end of the backstretch, T8, could be transformed into a full 90 degree angle at the radius it has got now. It would then form part of an Esse that fades out into the bowed part that is between T8 and T9.
I add an edit (sorry for my amateurish graphics) here. I hope you like my suggestions

[LuiggiSpeed]

THis track is quite different from your usual big time venues, I like it quite a lot, very interesting, I would add myself in the list of people that think T1 is a little too tight, especially for a T1, being an overtaking spot I see a lot of possibilities of a first corner pile up, x10 if raining.

other than that it's kind of a scientific circuit with planned corners and nice shapes, just like the ones I like, rethink T1 and this would be a classic IMHO

[LuiggiSpeed]

I'm a little lost in inspiration at this moment but I'd suggest "something"

[Purist]

I think that edit makes for a very good definitive version, Luiggi, if SBF agrees with it.

[ScotsBrutesFan]

I certainly have no issue with the shape and style of the extension.

My only concern would be that it would likely take up to or over 4 miles

[ScotsBrutesFan]

OK so Feb 3

This one is a bit of a contradiction as it has angular corners in abundance, yet also has a very flowing section.

I was almost tempted to call this circuit hammer head as when seen in the Dimensions view the flowing section is similar (in my eyes anyway). But on adding in the necessary gravel, grass and other circuits furniture the effect is lost somewhat.

To add to the First image, though it'll be apparent from the other images the circuit runs Clockwise, my first to do so for a while.

I suspect this circuit will be rather have pleaty of Like this bit but not that bit, so... as always comments, criticisms and possible edits are welcome.

[LuiggiSpeed]

the only thing I don't agree is that t9(i guess) ilyta hairpin, its kind of pointy , breaks the flow somewhat, otherwise very interesting.I see you like multi apex corners

[Teretonga]

I actually like the turn 9 hairpin and have no problem with it, because it is halfway around the circuit and would create an overtaking opportunity.
Its the multi apex 11-12-13 that I find awkward. I don't mind multi apex but I'd flow it a lot more, make it a lot more rounded than it is. Thats more of the persdonal opinion though rather than a design fault.
Other than that I reckon its great.

[bio]

Aother great one from you.

I'm not sure the hairpin is really a good overtaking spot since the fast section before it seems too short - but I don't have anything against the hairpin either.

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PS: How long is your pitlane?

[ScotsBrutesFan]

The length of the area in front of the garages is about 350m, when compared to real word circuit, is huge, Barcelona is 290m, Monza only 250m

The width of the "driving lane" and and "pit box" Lane are both 4m with the coloured divider being 1.5m.
I've marked up a few other dimension of the pits there for you.

[bio]

Yep, that sure sounds enough to me thank you

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[ScotsBrutesFan]

Hot on the heels of Feb 3 comes Feb 4.

I havent bothered with grandstands and bridges or tunnels this time as it I might have time to squeeze out a 5th for February...not promising though.

Anyway Feb 4 is actually 2 different circuits in one.

The short circuit runs Anti clockwise
4.026 km or 2.516 miles in length

The long circuit runs clockwise
6.779 km or 4.237 miles

As usual, comments, criticism and possible edits are welcome. So much so for the Sketchup users out their I've included the file for a closer look.

[LuiggiSpeed]

I like the overal shape and the corner types and order, what I don't know what to say is about the concept of the two circuits. you can never have a "big" circuit by joining those two in any way possible, and never have both of them simultaneously, I might be getting too practical here, but I think if you were to invest money in a circuit you would want to maximize it's possibilities , so the circuit is just fine with me, it's the logistic viewpoint...then again I might be wrong though...!