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Montoya has never won the F1 World Championship for Drivers (Alonso twice) and probably never will now.
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Alonso shouldn't have got it because he doesn't need it. I'd hate to see some of the less well-resourced rookies slip through the net due to missing out on the top rookie award.
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Let's also not forget that Jones had two seasons of Indy lights running on ovals (including Indy) and had five previous races in the IndyCar series. He may be a rookie to the 500 but he's certainly no oval or indy car rookie like Alonso.
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Oh, I stand by my post without a doubt. Top drivers often slip down the memory hole due to bad politics and a lack of cash. Alonso didn't need the prize, he's not the clear-cut winner, plenty of others to choose from, give it to someone who could use it.
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I don't think Stroll "needs" so many cars in his collection. I can "use" a Ferrari. He should give one to me, right? That system, again, sucks. I need to strive and earn one (not be "given" one by someone who already has) because I can "use" it.... |
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'Can't make it much clearer. You just don't wish to accept my opinion. Oh well. I can live with that.
Regarding "If you like, I'd award the prize to the top finishing rookie and cut out "star struck" element that has probably seen Alonso clinch it.", I wouldn't like. But that's okay too. The "would" ( in "I'd") is the key. That's your opinion and, again that's fine. You, however, are not in the position so to do. |
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31 May 2017, 10:57 (Ref:3737644) | #314 | ||
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Unbelievable.
Your original statement: "Alonso shouldn't have got it because he doesn't need it." What happened to your "meritocracy"? I thought my posts were quite clear regarding my feeling about merit as opposed to gift, nay, charity. Alonso earned it, he's been awarded it. So it should be taken away from him and given to someone else as per your "give it to someone who could use it." I believe you're 180 degrees out of sync with yourself. Last edited by jimclark; 31 May 2017 at 11:03. |
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Though it's unofficial but just to clarify in case of any confusion, the Triple Crown of Motorsport is:
the Indianapolis 500 the 24 Hours of Le Mans the Monaco Grand Prix |
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If the rookie prize however is secured by subjective opinion in a year were the rookie field has nothing to chose from then, yeah, I am in favour of giving it to the guy who needs it in order to foster talent within the series. If the cost of that means you hallucinate "socialism", then I'll just have take that one on the chin. I'll stick with my view, that if a way can be found to pack the series with the most driver talent as is possible, then we should do it. |
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It's based on the driver's skill, sportsmanship, accessibility/conduct during the month and finally finishing position. At the end of the day Alonso was much more of a rookie than Jones with the level of experience he had with the cars and ovals. |
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And there was nothing. Alonso got in plenty of practice, he had top machinery and could tap the expertise of six top cars, he's race-fit at the highest level for many years and doesn't struggle for resources. He also wasn't tested in the last twenty or so laps -- when the race really gets hot and courtesy goes out the window. That sounds like I'm denigrating Alonso. His is a great achievement and he's a worthy enough recipient but there's not alot to choose between the top rookies this year and in that event, when there's parity between them after you've worked through all the various factors, I'd give it to the guy who needs it the most. |
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Aaahhh the gap 'twixt races leaves such time for nice healthy "debate", 'Good time to lighten up. Don't you agree? |
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What's all this waffle? I'm stating my views which is normal on forums. This triggers a panic attack in you for whatever reason.
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It's not what I think but what has been accepted as The Triple Crown, even though it is unofficial.
I'm all for nice healthy debate and lightening things up, 'twixt races and during. As the Moderator for the IndyCar forum of TenTenths, that's something I heartily encourage and condone. I think we are all agreed. |
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Incidentally, in an interview on BT Sport, when asked about the Triple Crown, Alonso referred to having won the F1 championship, so I wonder if he considers it to be the F1 championship, the Indy 500 and Le Mans. I don't think anyone would debate that winning the championship is harder than only Monaco, but as you say, traditionally, the Triple Crown is viewed as being these big three races. Of course, the only man to have won the Triple Crown was F1 champion anyway.
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