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Old 24 Jan 2012, 22:44 (Ref:3016501)   #26
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Yes Gerry won in the big wet & Ralf Rupprecht was victorious in Race 1 of '94 on the Friday.
No Superkarts at the '95 AGP, otherwise I would've been on the grid instead of the grandstand.
John Barabasz finished 2nd to Les May in the Winfield Triple Challenge at Eastern Creek in early '94, this was televised by Channel 9 with Wayne Gardner in commentary with Big Daz!

Have dug through my archives:

1994 AGP Race 1
1st: Ralf Rupprecht - Anderson Rotax
2nd: Peter Woodgate - Zip Eagle Rotax
3rd: Jason Maros - Zip Eagle Rotax

Race 2
1st: Gerard Siebert - Zip Eagle Rotax
2nd: Brian Stockman - Stockman MR2 Honda
3rd: Peter Woodgate

Also a correction on the lap record:
Darren Edwards (1993) - 1min38.95


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Old 25 Jan 2012, 09:22 (Ref:3016651)   #27
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I even have a sketchy memory of watching the Triple Challenge! Yep, I've muddled it all up, a slighty harder to pronounce name, an Anderson something, John won an Australian title. I didn't think one day I'd have to recall all of it!
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Old 28 Jan 2012, 13:11 (Ref:3018143)   #28
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This isn't strictly accurate, but it gives a bit more of an idea of relative performance of 1967 GP cars and modern superkarts.

The sim GPL isn't perfectly accurate with the '67 cars, but it's pretty close. At the modern version of Laguna Seca, really good sim drivers can do 1m26 - 1m29 laps. The superkart lap record around Laguna is 1m23.676, set by Sam Zavaglia in 2008 (was held by Eddie Lawson of MotoGP fame before that at 1m23.875).

I can't find a real '67 GP car lap time at Laguna - some have raced at the Monterey historics, I recall seeing pictures of a Ferrari 312/67 there. There was a '66-'83 F1 race at last years event, but I can't find any details of the fastest laps set during the race. With the small inaccuracies of GPL in the car physics, and the fact that the best sim drivers use the brake and throttle to settle the car in the corners, I would reckon that a real '67 GP car driven hard could do a 1m29 - 1m30 at Laguna, 5-6 seconds slower than a superkart. Either vehicle would be awesome to watch there! Sam Zavaglia's fastest lap onboard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2o--m0wsu0

Also for a closer comparison to '67 GP cars, Bobby Rahal set a 1m25 lap in qualifying for the 2008 Historic Can-Am race at Laguna Seca, in a 1972 Lola T310 - 8.4 litres, 900hp (!). To show how fast the car is and how quick Rahal still is, at the 2010 Monterey historics the fastest lap in the IMSA GT/GTX race was a 1.33.02 by Rob Walton in a 1978 Porsche 935, and fastest lap of the weekend was a 1.24.79 by Stefan Johannson in a 1986 Porsche 962.
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Old 20 Feb 2012, 12:29 (Ref:3028348)   #29
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Thanks for the replies - v. interesting. As I noted earlier the fastest superkart at the Sep 2011 meeting lapped within 8 seconds/lap of the fastest F1 lap at the 1967 Gold Cup - but they had no chicanes then. I wondered if the chicanes were worth 8 secs/lap?
Well, I've recently been running "Netkar Pro" a racing car simulator and it has Oulton Park in a number of configurations. A FF2000 car is 11 secs/lap quicker without the chicanes than with them - so it reasonable to assume that the 1967 F1 cars would lose at least 8 secs - so it looks like a superkart could be quicker around Oulton Park than a 1967 F1 car!

As an aside, it looks like iRacing will also get Oulton Park soon - one of my favourite tracks!
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Old 21 Feb 2012, 14:25 (Ref:3028920)   #30
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Thanks for the replies - v. interesting. As I noted earlier the fastest superkart at the Sep 2011 meeting lapped within 8 seconds/lap of the fastest F1 lap at the 1967 Gold Cup - but they had no chicanes then. I wondered if the chicanes were worth 8 secs/lap?
Well, I've recently been running "Netkar Pro" a racing car simulator and it has Oulton Park in a number of configurations. A FF2000 car is 11 secs/lap quicker without the chicanes than with them - so it reasonable to assume that the 1967 F1 cars would lose at least 8 secs - so it looks like a superkart could be quicker around Oulton Park than a 1967 F1 car!

As an aside, it looks like iRacing will also get Oulton Park soon - one of my favourite tracks!
There's no question that the Superkart would be much quicker through the chicanes than the 1967 F1 car. The FF2000 would also be faster through the chicanes when compared with the older F1 car too.
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Old 22 Feb 2012, 08:53 (Ref:3029317)   #31
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I've a program in front of me from Oulton Park in 1975. Formula 5000 lap record was 1.06.2s (89.85mph) by Dave Walker (Chevron B28). Outright lap record was 57.0s (104.46mph) by Tony Brise and Nick May in Formula Atlantic (Brise in a Modus and May in a Lola).
When I was taking photos at Shenington, I seem to remember Scott Allen 125cc kart seeing off a Porsche 911 GT2 on a local circuit. I suppose it would have been a tight circuit.

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Old 23 Feb 2012, 18:20 (Ref:3030006)   #32
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That can't have been on the same circuit, else the F5000s never ran when it was dry.
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That can't have been on the same circuit, else the F5000s never ran when it was dry.
That F5000 lap record was set during the snowy(!) Good Friday meeting (it was the 1st year of racing on the Fosters circuit). I think Alan Jones set the first representative record in his F5000 March at 55.0s.
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Old 24 Feb 2012, 08:33 (Ref:3030236)   #34
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Sorry, just had a look at the program, your'e right, was the Fosters circuit.
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I drove a div1 superkart at donington in the same meeting as classic f1 and was about the same lap time as a 1975 ex Niki Lauda Ferrari 312T, which must have been quicker than a 1967 car....

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