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Old 27 Jul 2020, 03:26 (Ref:3990948)   #286
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He said "in the style of", not incorporate wholly and solely.
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Old 27 Jul 2020, 10:09 (Ref:3991002)   #287
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Really I wonder now if Gen 3 will go ahead as was planned. But maybe they will use some bits from it and mix it with the current spec. That could work
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Old 27 Jul 2020, 17:32 (Ref:3991099)   #288
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Really I wonder now if Gen 3 will go ahead as was planned. But maybe they will use some bits from it and mix it with the current spec. That could work
So they are never going to lower the rollhoop of the Mustang or put the A-pillar in the right spot (further back)?
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Old 27 Jul 2020, 23:51 (Ref:3991154)   #289
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So they are never going to lower the rollhoop of the Mustang or put the A-pillar in the right spot (further back)?
He didn't say that - "some bits" would logically involve those items you mention - particularly if Camaro IS still an option.
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Old 28 Jul 2020, 10:24 (Ref:3991212)   #290
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If you combine the best things from the two, that should work. No doubt the technical people would work out best what that is. Would be good to see the Camaro out there, but it all depends on how much they can afford to throw at it. Either way, I am sure the series can recover in time
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Old 29 Jul 2020, 22:24 (Ref:3991522)   #291
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Speaking of NASCAR and Gen 3, could the electric Mustang SUV on the left form the basis of Supercars Gen 3? The Mustang electric SUV race car certainly looks the part, albeit it's enormous compared to the Mustang coupe version stock car on the right.





It's clear that Ford are passionate about electric SUV Mustangs, but furthermore electric SUV racing would also be the best way to attract additional manufacturers too.

Potentially you could attract Volvo and Volkswagen who have both committed to only support electric motor racing, while Jaguar, Mercedes and Audi all have electric SUVs too.

Of course, maintaining the existing 635hp and 1400kg is obligatory, but could be a problem if the range is meant to be any more than about 2 laps...

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Old 30 Jul 2020, 07:28 (Ref:3991559)   #292
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The Mustang electric SUV race car certainly looks the part
Doesn't look like anything I want to be part of
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Old 30 Jul 2020, 07:54 (Ref:3991565)   #293
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I've got a feeling SUVs don't really belong to motorsport...
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Old 30 Jul 2020, 08:52 (Ref:3991577)   #294
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I've got a feeling SUVs don't really belong to motorsport...
Us fans are not going to like the changes filtering into motor sport, that much is obvious. Sedans are a dying breed, most probably extinct within the next decade apart from a few upmarket vehicles so I don't know what we will be watching or racing instead. At the same time electric/hybrid vehicles are being force fed into the market by manufacturers having to meet regulatory design and emission rules so what you and I want to see on a race track means nothing. It sure will be interesting to see what comes out of all this as far as motor sport goes. I have said it before, elctric vehicles are actually ideal from a cost POV because it takes away the enormous drive line costs and removes the costs of chasing incremental power improvements in IC motors.
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I've got a feeling SUVs don't really belong to motorsport...
They already have 'sport' in their name.

Just need to call the track versions MSUVs and it's sorted.....
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You don't suppose the 4-speed gearbox, live rear axle and steel wheels are too anachronistic for the modern world?

Especially when NASCAR, the champions of that kind of thing, are moving the other way to a modern 6-speed sequential, centre lock alloy wheels and so on?
There is a version of TA2 - I think for Mexico and Thailand - that has a sequential gearbox. So that seems to be an issue that can be overcome - as are the steel wheels.
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Old 30 Jul 2020, 15:45 (Ref:3991672)   #297
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There is a version of TA2 - I think for Mexico and Thailand - that has a sequential gearbox. So that seems to be an issue that can be overcome - as are the steel wheels.
I suspect once you add all the gubbins that V8 Supercar teams want like independent suspension (or bring back the 888 fabricated truss live axle), a leg protection tray, wheel arch liner (carbon fibre of course), radiator ducting (carbon fibre of course), onboard air jacks, data logging, driver cooling system, adjustable brake bias, driver adjustable sway bars et al. they will cost the same as the current Supercars... :/

As far as I can tell, the only reason TA2 cars are cheap is because they have almost no features.

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As far as I can tell, the only reason TA2 cars are cheap is because they have almost no features.
I guess economies of scale also play a role, especially since Howe can also tap into the grassrootish end of the US-oval-racing-market for many of their components.
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Old 2 Aug 2020, 08:35 (Ref:3992223)   #299
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You can have any regs you want. Under superfranchise racing, the costs will go through the roof.

A shopping trolley with a 5 litre V8 wedged in it will be $300k .
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Yet as a "non-professional sport, ran out of a blokes garage" doing so every 3 to 5 years what not unusual.

Even less for some.

Just look at Murray Carter for the 10 years from 1979 to 1988.

Three times the rules changes rendering his current car ineligible and off his own bat changed cars an additional two times (Falcon to Mazda and then Skyline to Sierra)

The pro teams of today have stability in regulations the men of Carter's era could only dream of.
What's the big deal about "stability"?

Murray Carter raced and change cars off his own free will, for his own purposes. He wasn't forced to buy a car or at a particular price. He wasn't fined for not attending meetings.

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The point you've neglected to include in your reference to Dick Johnson (and the other teams at the time) is that the change was made without the competitors being part of the decision making process - the TEG, then TEGA, then AVESCO, now Supercars structure is that the teams are a key part of the decision making process.

This time IF the current cars ARE made redundant (which may not be the case at all) it will be with the teams very much part of the planning and they'll be able to make longer-term judgements accordingly.
Yeah, supercars are a clique. I said it on other threads. They will make decisions only for their own benefit, even if it's not in the best interests of motor racing in Australia overall.
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