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Old 6 Aug 2020, 06:17 (Ref:3993248)   #1
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The one thing the teams hadn't planned for..

I find it pretty amazing that for all F1 teams focus on optimising everything, that the one thing they have seemingly not factored in is the prospect that one of their drivers would test positive for covid-19 and not be able to race.

We saw this with RP's scramble to find a driver at the last minute, now we hear that Paul Di Resta will be McLaren's 'reserve' at the 70th GP ths weekend - he has not sat in an F1 car for a season for several years, he had a one off for Williams in 2017 when Massa was ill.

Apparently, Mercedes don't even have a reserve as Vandorne is doing FE and Gutteritz no longer has a superlicence.

It's even more unbelievable when you consider that they will not know if they are going to have a problem until the driver arrives at the circuit on Thursday before the race. The teams are relying on their drivers to be scrupiously careful in their own lives in between races.

It's not as if this potential situation comes as a surprise, since Melbourne the teams could have planned a 'what if' scenario, secured reserve drivers - prepared them in the sim on the cars systems, got them up to speed and then collectively asked F1 for a reserve driver test day to put them in the car - F1 would surely have agreed.

They probably factored in team personnel testing positive and had plans to assign roles in that case, probably believing that team personnel were more vulnerable/exposed to the possibility of catching it than drivers.
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Old 6 Aug 2020, 08:12 (Ref:3993260)   #2
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after silverstone i can see the teams waking up....im surprised there arent 3/4 ex drivers like hulk, di resta, button that arent at the event inside the bubble which teams can call upon a bit like an emergency goalie in the NHL who can play for either team as a backup.

i know its probably not as easy as that in terms of engine secrets etc but surely if each engine manufacturer has 1 sub to call upon as an emergency stand in then you could keep it down to 4 stand in drivers in the paddock at all times.
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Old 6 Aug 2020, 08:23 (Ref:3993271)   #3
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Against this, 90% of the F2 grid are more than good enough to drive an F1 even if they haven't complied with the FIA's current qualification edict, which let us face it is just commercially driven.
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Against this, 90% of the F2 grid are more than good enough to drive an F1 even if they haven't complied with the FIA's current qualification edict, which let us face it is just commercially driven.
Agree completely. McLaren call a guy who has not driven for years. Who is next - Pedro De La Rosa?

What is the point of F2, if the drivers are not called up in these circumstances?
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Old 6 Aug 2020, 09:16 (Ref:3993277)   #5
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Couldn't agree more. Perfect opportunity rather than dragging back drivers who are now out of F1, most for good reason.
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Old 6 Aug 2020, 09:32 (Ref:3993279)   #6
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Couldn't agree more. Perfect opportunity rather than dragging back drivers who are now out of F1, most for good reason.
They would be race fit as well, no matter how much 'fitness' you do outside of the car nothing prepares you for driving an F1 car other than driving an F1 car. Hulk has already said despite having a high level of general fitness, his body took a real pounding as he was not 'F1' fit.

An F2 driver is going to be a lot fitter than an exF1 driver who hasn't sat in a high level single seater for a few years.
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Couldn't agree more. Perfect opportunity rather than dragging back drivers who are now out of F1, most for good reason.
i cant disagree with this sentiment, however as the rules around super licence stand, its not possible....and to be honest, having seen how the red bull programme and others throws young talent in at the deep end sometimes, it can also be detrimental to a young drivers confidence and career prospects, so its not always the right call.
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Agree completely. McLaren call a guy who has not driven for years. Who is next - Pedro De La Rosa?

What is the point of F2, if the drivers are not called up in these circumstances?
...not driven in F1....hes been highly competative in LMP racing.
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Pedro? I've not seen his name mentioned for ages, what's he been doing? Even his own website stops in 2014.....
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Apparently, Mercedes don't even have a reserve as Vandorne is doing FE and Gutteritz no longer has a superlicence.
This is what I find odd - why have a 'reserve' that doesn't even have the correct licence? Presumably Mercedes could put George Russell in their car and leave Williams with the headache of finding a driver to put in their car (does Ticktum have enough points for a superlicence?).

If you discount drivers in Formula E (who are presumably concentrating on that) then how big is the pool of available drivers? Alonso (presumably could jump into the Renault), Kubica possibly (if there's no DTM clash), who else?
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This is what I find odd - why have a 'reserve' that doesn't even have the correct licence? Presumably Mercedes could put George Russell in their car and leave Williams with the headache of finding a driver to put in their car (does Ticktum have enough points for a superlicence?).

If you discount drivers in Formula E (who are presumably concentrating on that) then how big is the pool of available drivers? Alonso (presumably could jump into the Renault), Kubica possibly (if there's no DTM clash), who else?
Im surprised noone has mentioned Ant Davidson in all this.

Mercedes sim driver, ex le mans....surely he still has his licence?...hes raced in LMP recently
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Ant is the same age as Kimi. Not sure he is desperate to come back

I can understand why they are brining di Resta in as a backup, they need that experience in case. Itís tough on F2 drivers, but it would be massive pressure on them and as is mentioned above, they need the superlicence points more than anything
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Personally I don't understand why di Resta would be mentioned at all....
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Because heís already in the bubble.
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i cant disagree with this sentiment, however as the rules around super licence stand, its not possible....and to be honest, having seen how the red bull programme and others throws young talent in at the deep end sometimes, it can also be detrimental to a young drivers confidence and career prospects, so its not always the right call.
The thing is, acting as a reserve driver is absolutely not "being thrown in at the deep end". Instead it is paddling in the shallow end (if I may use a similar analogy). They are not being used, but instead are on standby only. It's a great chance to sit in on some driver meetings and mix with the engineers etc.

Many of the F1 teams presumably still run their young driver program - and I were on one of those at the moment I probably would be wondering what the point is?

Anyway, hopefully all the 1st choice drivers remain in good health, and if so this conversation is entirely academic.
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