'09 ALMS Round 7 • Road America - Page 7

Acid09 · 16 Aug 2009, 21:55 (Ref:2522613)

Is the timing broken or did BMW just score a 1-2 in GT2?

Impressive stuff guys, way to show of what a great sports car the M3 is

**joeb** · 16 Aug 2009, 21:56 (Ref:2522614)

2 races 2 podiums and 2 penalties for the Cytosport team! just cut out the mistakes and they have 2 victories!

dxk1 · 16 Aug 2009, 22:10 (Ref:2522622)

I was really surprised by how slow the Corvette pit work was today. Both times they pitted before the Lizards Porsche and both times the Porsche beat them out of the pits by a substantial margin. Great driving by the Magnussen/O'Connell pair. Is Johnny getting faster with old age? He was always pretty quick but I always thought he was a little slower than Mags, and the O-boys, but he really seems to have picked up some speed over the last two years and is just as fast as any of them these days.

DK

The Badger · 17 Aug 2009, 12:42 (Ref:2522950)

As much as Im a Porsche fan ..... Im delighted to see a new winner up there .

Wow , when was the last time Porsche was trounced in the ALMS by anything other than a Fiat ?

Now it looks like both Porsche and Fiat have their work cut out for them for 2010 . Wonder what they will come up with ?

Great stuff . Why was the Porsche so far behind ? How come BMW was so good ?

**joeb** · 17 Aug 2009, 13:31 (Ref:2522989)

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Originally Posted by The Badger

Great stuff . Why was the Porsche so far behind ? How come BMW was so good ?

Good question. BMW claims their ideal 50/50 weight distribution helped them tackle the corners better than their competitors and that outweighed their lack of top end speed on the long straights. I think it is likely more than that. If their cornering was what won the race for them, I would have thought they would be more competitive on some of the earlier tracks as well. So they may have made some additional upgrades to setup or something that they just came up with that worked really well at the track.

Jonerz · 17 Aug 2009, 13:54 (Ref:2523011)

Regarding what "Fiat" has to do, someone mentioned on the SPEED broadcast that they will be getting more weight but the bigger Michelin tires. Presumably this also means restrictor changes, which I believe was mentioned, but I forget what the commentator said.

Chris

Satorian · 17 Aug 2009, 13:55 (Ref:2523014)

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Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

Post Long Beach. They are at #1245 with 2 restrictors @29.8
Here Bulletin #09-11

Thanks, Horndawg! That's what I meant!

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Originally Posted by Purist

Satorian, I very much doubt that those old restrictor breaks apply anymore. Those were the old E46, straight-6-powered cars that ran a few years ago. The E92 M3s with the 4.0-litre V8s are new for this year.

Umm, no. I meant the bulletin as linked by Horndawg.

JHamilton · 17 Aug 2009, 17:44 (Ref:2523137)

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Originally Posted by The Badger

As much as Im a Porsche fan ..... Im delighted to see a new winner up there .

Wow , when was the last time Porsche was trounced in the ALMS by anything other than a Fiat ?

Now it looks like both Porsche and Fiat have their work cut out for them for 2010 . Wonder what they will come up with ?

Great stuff . Why was the Porsche so far behind ? How come BMW was so good ?

Also, a nice win for Dunlop.

**joeb** · 17 Aug 2009, 18:44 (Ref:2523168)

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Originally Posted by JHamilton

Also, a nice win for Dunlop.

When did the last non-Michelin shod car win a GT-2 race?

fieldodreams79 · 17 Aug 2009, 20:03 (Ref:2523201)

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Originally Posted by JHamilton

Also, a nice win for Dunlop.

good catch, JH.
at least 6 in a row for the michelin this but i can't find anything quickly about the last win for dunlop or the last no michelin win.

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Originally Posted by The Badger

How come BMW was so good ?

did we ever see who had the best straight line speed? maybe they had something on the other cars at Road AMR, but i would like think that the drivers and the team are finally finding the true speed in the car.

i just love it when a plan comes together.

fjn356 · 17 Aug 2009, 20:19 (Ref:2523214)

Was I off! The 'vettes were not so fast on the straights as the BMWs and Lizard. And, while I have seen some excellent drivers and riders be caught out by 5, I never thought Pat Long would make a mistake that late in the race.
As for the speeds of the BMWs, there are obvious body openings that seem to violate ACO rules and, of course, the recent restrictor increase. They also seemed to run lower ride heights than the Porsches at Road America. It seems almost impossible to balance performance between different makes, but I think IMSA does an excellent job overall. Look at the qualifying times of the top four makes.
Another great Road America for ALMS.

JHamilton · 17 Aug 2009, 20:49 (Ref:2523250)

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Originally Posted by joeb

When did the last non-Michelin shod car win a GT-2 race?

If I'm not mistaken, it was also the last time an non-Porsche/Ferrari won. I believe the Multimatic Panoz was on Pirellis at Sebring in 2006.

**joeb** · 17 Aug 2009, 21:08 (Ref:2523267)

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Originally Posted by fieldodreams79

did we ever see who had the best straight line speed? maybe they had something on the other cars at Road AMR, but i would like think that the drivers and the team are finally finding the true speed in the car.

i just love it when a plan comes together.

I don't know who had the top speed in gt2 but I heard the announcers say that Intersport did in the P categories. I saw the Viper pass everybody in sight on the front straight but got overtaken by all in braking for Turn 1 - it was crazy.

MJ_N_09 · 17 Aug 2009, 21:13 (Ref:2523270)

^ I guess they got the restrictor off the Viper.

dxk1 · 17 Aug 2009, 22:13 (Ref:2523309)

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Originally Posted by joeb

I saw the Viper pass everybody in sight on the front straight but got overtaken by all in braking for Turn 1 - it was crazy.

I saw that too, but that car couldn't make a turn as it wound up in the gravel trap a few times.

DK

dxk1 · 17 Aug 2009, 22:15 (Ref:2523311)

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Originally Posted by Jonerz

Regarding what "Fiat" has to do, someone mentioned on the SPEED broadcast that they will be getting more weight but the bigger Michelin tires. Presumably this also means restrictor changes, which I believe was mentioned, but I forget what the commentator said.

Chris

But that was for next year, right?

DK

Jonerz · 17 Aug 2009, 23:21 (Ref:2523364)

Yeah, sorry DK. That was a response to what the Badger said, my bad.

Chris

The Badger · 18 Aug 2009, 10:46 (Ref:2523599)

What was for next year please mate ?

**joeb** · 18 Aug 2009, 13:26 (Ref:2523706)

Anybody know of any attendance figures for the race? I heard they were better than expected from an attendee, but haven't seen any real numbers.

Jonerz · 18 Aug 2009, 16:56 (Ref:2523810)

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Originally Posted by The Badger

What was for next year please mate ?

The weight and tire adjustments on the Ferrari. RE: your post on BMW domination and Porsche and Fiat.

Chris

dxk1 · 18 Aug 2009, 21:01 (Ref:2523966)

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Originally Posted by The Badger

What was for next year please mate ?

The changes Chris was discussing for the Fiats.

DK

Purist · 19 Aug 2009, 19:06 (Ref:2524544)

I assume the Viper is still overweight, but does anyone know by how much?

Jonerz · 19 Aug 2009, 19:10 (Ref:2524547)

SPEED mentioned 100lbs overweight. So presumably that at least.

Chris

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