'09 ALMS Round 8 • Mosport, Aug. 27th - 30th - Page 3

arakis · 30 Aug 2009, 00:05 (Ref:2530758)

I just saw a bmw commercial at speedtv.com.

production M3 / ALMS M3 .....
same beast
different cars left in its tracks....

built to hold 485 hp and one flag.....

They are getting cocky aren't they...

Jonerz · 30 Aug 2009, 00:42 (Ref:2530777)

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Originally Posted by Dead-Eye

Can you share the picture you got?

As I kill time uploading to imageshack I realize I didn't get the left side of the car in the pic, thus no door frame. I can assure you, the left side was pretty well walloped (WALLoped even, or tirebarrieroped perhaps). The suspension appeared to be relatively well intact, but the frame and bodywork could be trouble.

@arakis: It's one thing to be great at bodywork and own a dealership, but they're at Mosport, and the dealership is in Houston. Also, I doubt any of the mechanics at the track work in the bodyshop at the dealership - I'll ask tomorrow if you wish.

Also, I haven't seen the BMW ad, but I like the concept. A little bit of "chirping" always adds spice to the sport. I don't think the margin is big enough yet for IMSA to consider pulling the BMW back. Don't forget, the 45 car went five straight wins - of course that was not complimented by the teamcar following it home.

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Chris

arakis · 30 Aug 2009, 01:16 (Ref:2530792)

from risi blog, seems optimistic:
Car seems square. Long night for techs.

Jonerz, of course you are wright, but if any team, on the field has the capabilities to fix it its risi, they have the , spares, the know how, not sure about the time, but i seem to remember a porsche 996 being totally rebuilt in one day at le mans, don't quote me, i am not sure!

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Originally Posted by Jonerz

he frame and bodywork could be trouble.

Nothing some good hammering action wont be able to fix i hope

BTW they are sponsored by Ferrari of Ontario witch has a shop in Toronto! about 100 km from mosport.

more info:

Fiona Miller, Risi’s intrepid PR rep, told me the biggest area of concern was in the left side door pillar, but no structural damage was sustained in the accident. The team expects to work through the night and will start from the back of the pack in the race on Sunday.

Audi Racer · 30 Aug 2009, 01:37 (Ref:2530805)

oddly enough i don't think its the BMW restrictor break that has made the BMW so good. I feel like its the Dunlop tires. At the Nurburgring for the LMS race the Dunlop shod cars won GT2,GT1,and P2. The intersport car which was on dunlops at mosport had a pretty good pace. Did dunlop bring out a new wave of tires this past month. The BMW clearly did not have the straightline speed at Road America the Corvette motored by it on the front staight

the restrictor break was given well before road america

Audi Racer · 30 Aug 2009, 01:39 (Ref:2530808)

some top quality teams are running dunlops. The BMWs the Zytek P2 Quifel

HORNDAWG · 30 Aug 2009, 01:52 (Ref:2530813)

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Originally Posted by gsmith2424

I'm beginning to think that the restrictor break the BMW's received after Long Beach may be brought in a little bit after this race. (Running at 29.4mm for 2 should be at 28.6mm for 2 at 1235kg)

Ya, one would think with the continued performance of the BMW's that some of their allowance in the restrictors would be rescinded.

L.P.

arakis · 30 Aug 2009, 01:58 (Ref:2530814)

exactly they have the same weight, tires, and engine size as porsche 4l, so why are they running bigger restrictors, they make 485 hp, and porshce 450hp, that's a big difference.

HORNDAWG · 30 Aug 2009, 02:10 (Ref:2530818)

Development!

L.P.

Audi Racer · 30 Aug 2009, 02:37 (Ref:2530824)

You guys don't understand. the bimmers have 50/50 weight distribution. no other GT2 car can say that especially not the rear engined porsche 911
the bimmer is the ultimate driving machine

Audi Racer · 30 Aug 2009, 02:39 (Ref:2530825)

In terms of weight distribution i rank
1. BMW M3
2. Ferrari F430
3. Porsche 911/corvette(well i don't really know about the corvette)

Audi Racer · 30 Aug 2009, 02:43 (Ref:2530826)

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Originally Posted by arakis

exactly they have the same weight, tires, and engine size as porsche 4l, so why are they running bigger restrictors, they make 485 hp, and porshce 450hp, that's a big difference.

Just to let you know. thats false.
When BMW first showed the race M3 model last year they said it had 485 horsepower on all the websites. Through all the restrictor break changes it has remained that way see something wrong. The porsche with 450hp thats pish posh. The corvette, the Viper, the panoz, and the porsche have more horse power than the BMW. I wouldn't doubt the Ford Gt either

ger80 · 30 Aug 2009, 07:33 (Ref:2530858)

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Originally Posted by Audi Racer

You guys don't understand. the bimmers have 50/50 weight distribution. no other GT2 car can say that especially not the rear engined porsche 911
the bimmer is the ultimate driving machine

After getting the waiver to use transaxle configuration - which is not used on the road M3

arakis · 30 Aug 2009, 08:58 (Ref:2530897)

and who says 50/50 is ideal, its not a 4wd car, and even then it wouldn't be ideal

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Originally Posted by Audi Racer

Just to let you know. thats false.
When BMW first showed the race M3 model last year they said it had 485 horsepower on all the websites.

so what you are basically saying is that it had 485 with the 28.6 restrictors, so now it has even more, i know porsche probably has more, but so does bmw, the factory info is a good starting point,

arakis · 30 Aug 2009, 13:30 (Ref:2531035)

Risi is fixed and running at warm up

MJ_N_09 · 30 Aug 2009, 13:41 (Ref:2531047)

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Originally Posted by arakis

Risi is fixed and running at warm up

They must like playing with themselves

MJ_N_09 · 30 Aug 2009, 13:43 (Ref:2531049)

I see that The Ford did not come out for warmup...what's the deal?

Audi Racer · 30 Aug 2009, 17:24 (Ref:2531231)

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Originally Posted by ger80

After getting the waiver to use transaxle configuration - which is not used on the road M3

the porsche 911, Ferrari F430, and the Corvette are supercars. The BMW M3 is not a supercar. The stock M3 could not compete with the stock 911 F430 and corvette Z06.

NightStalk3r · 30 Aug 2009, 17:26 (Ref:2531232)

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Originally Posted by Audi Racer

the porsche 911, Ferrari F430, and the Corvette are supercars. The BMW M3 is not a supercar. The stock M3 could not compete with the stock 911 F430 and corvette Z06.

So the M3 should go back to touring cars where it belongs

TWK · 30 Aug 2009, 18:15 (Ref:2531278)

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Originally Posted by Audi Racer

the porsche 911, Ferrari F430, and the Corvette are supercars. The BMW M3 is not a supercar. The stock M3 could not compete with the stock 911 F430 and corvette Z06.

See Road & Track, February 2009. Tested at Laguna Seca: stock Porsche 911 Carrera 1:45.0, stock BMW M3 1:43.9.

arakis · 30 Aug 2009, 18:18 (Ref:2531281)

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Originally Posted by TWK

See Road & Track, February 2009. Tested at Laguna Seca: stock Porsche 911 Carrera 1:45.0, stock BMW M3 1:43.9.

Porsche 997 gt3 RSR is based of 997 gt3 rs road car, witch is substantially faster then the carrera i wouldn't be surprised if it is 5-10 sec faster.

the gt3 witch is slower then gt3 rs did a 1:39.5 on laguna seca

tux1234 · 30 Aug 2009, 18:25 (Ref:2531290)

Does it matter? we are not racing the road versions!

Audi Racer · 30 Aug 2009, 18:36 (Ref:2531303)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Audi Racer

the porsche 911, Ferrari F430, and the Corvette are supercars. The BMW M3 is not a supercar. The stock M3 could not compete with the stock 911 F430 and corvette Z06.

Not because of handling but because of Horsepower.

Ted bennett · 30 Aug 2009, 19:16 (Ref:2531356)

Is there a stream for this anywhere? It sounds like a good race on RLM.

arakis · 30 Aug 2009, 19:21 (Ref:2531362)

62 into 3rd

MJ_N_09 · 30 Aug 2009, 19:22 (Ref:2531368)

Corvettes 3 and 4; 1 and 2.

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