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Old 11 Dec 2023, 03:36 (Ref:4188816)   #1
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Successor to the Camaro after it is gone?

2024 Chevrolet Chevelle looks pretty cool.
Is this the next oprion for supercars?
Not made by GM, it is produced by Trans Am Worldwide ... hey but never let a small issue like that stop progress.

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Old 11 Dec 2023, 13:09 (Ref:4188832)   #2
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Make it a Mustang cup.
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Old 11 Dec 2023, 14:03 (Ref:4188839)   #3
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Why isn't Nissan Z already the second model of car?! It would make a lot more sense.

The Supercars-funded second car, as a turbocharged vehicle with a shorter wheelbase, would show the diversity in the category -- and additional manufacturer cars be they Chevrolets or Cadillacs or BMWs or Genesis could then follow the Mustang and Z if the commercial package reaches a viable point.
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Old 11 Dec 2023, 14:59 (Ref:4188849)   #4
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Why isn't Nissan Z already the second model of car?! It would make a lot more sense.

The Supercars-funded second car, as a turbocharged vehicle with a shorter wheelbase, would show the diversity in the category -- and additional manufacturer cars be they Chevrolets or Cadillacs or BMWs or Genesis could then follow the Mustang and Z if the commercial package reaches a viable point.
Was there any interest from Nissan? If not it's not strange they didn't develop one.
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Old 11 Dec 2023, 15:16 (Ref:4188851)   #5
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Was there any interest from Nissan? If not it's not strange they didn't develop one.
Nissan were disappointed with their last experience, it's up to the category to win Nissan over again and thank them for their (fruitless) support from 2013 to 2019.
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Old 11 Dec 2023, 22:02 (Ref:4188864)   #6
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Make it a Mustang cup.
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Old 12 Dec 2023, 04:46 (Ref:4188872)   #7
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The more the merrier I say.
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Old 13 Dec 2023, 05:48 (Ref:4188922)   #8
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Chevelle looks good.

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Modern Chevette? Aka Gemini for y'all upside-downers

Cause what else do they have or are they going to NASCAR and just keep allowing the Camaro to live on and on and on
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Old 15 Dec 2023, 19:13 (Ref:4189168)   #11
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Gen4 should be something like this!

Market wise it makes more sense to race these cars instead of Camaro and Mustang.

It would make Supercars stand out again compared to other series.
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Old 15 Dec 2023, 23:38 (Ref:4189183)   #12
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Or just allow any manufacturer other than Ford or GM. I think that might make it a lot better.
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Or just allow any manufacturer other than Ford or GM. I think that might make it a lot better.
Well the offer above was clearly, maybe, a Toyota. Especially since no Toyota or Ford parts are in the NASCAR Truck series, all LS based motors
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Old 16 Dec 2023, 18:13 (Ref:4189256)   #14
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Or just allow any manufacturer other than Ford or GM. I think that might make it a lot better.
It's up to other manufacturers to show interest, than Supercars to embrace them and do everything to create a fair playground.
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It's up to other manufacturers to show interest, than Supercars to embrace them and do everything to create a fair playground.
What is a fair playground? Effectively Super Cars has been a closed shop with no inclination to invite others in so why should they show interest at all.

The current rules effectively prohibit entries and if they can't get two different drivelines to be equal how would they go if multiple manufacturers showed interest wanting to use their own drivelines? The concept as it now stands has most probably got a short life as the current two manufacturers are only there by default. All this has been discussed previously multiple times and the present archaic regulations just about prohibit anyone else from entering, this cannot be repeated enough times but no one seems to be listening.
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What is a fair playground? Effectively Super Cars has been a closed shop with no inclination to invite others in so why should they show interest at all.

The current rules effectively prohibit entries and if they can't get two different drivelines to be equal how would they go if multiple manufacturers showed interest wanting to use their own drivelines? The concept as it now stands has most probably got a short life as the current two manufacturers are only there by default. All this has been discussed previously multiple times and the present archaic regulations just about prohibit anyone else from entering, this cannot be repeated enough times but no one seems to be listening.
Supercars have never listened, maybe some new blood from outside of the paddock is needed at head office.
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The lack of comment in this thread shows how much interest there is in the future of Supercars which is very sad but utterly predictable. You can only flog a dead horse so much before reality sets in unfortunately.
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I was thinking more perhaps that it is easier to be critical of what someone has already done than create it yourself…
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As a an old ATCC watcher, who is interested (still) in cars, the good racing pales when there is little technical of interest. They are just overgrown Aussie Race Cars, and I can relate to them more than the SCs because they are attainable if I want one.
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The lack of comment in this thread shows how much interest there is in the future of Supercars which is very sad but utterly predictable. You can only flog a dead horse so much before reality sets in unfortunately.
Maybe we dont comment as we know its a 2 horse race with not many interested parties. No point debating when it doesnt seem feasible.

I would love to see more parties involved.
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I was thinking more perhaps that it is easier to be critical of what someone has already done than create it yourself…
I have no idea what you mean. The lack of comment or interest is plainly evident for whatever reason so what do you think the future holds?
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I have no idea what you mean. The lack of comment or interest is plainly evident for whatever reason so what do you think the future holds?
Some people having a sook because the commodore is goneski and ford won the last 4 races.
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Why isn't Nissan Z already the second model of car?! It would make a lot more sense.

The Supercars-funded second car, as a turbocharged vehicle with a shorter wheelbase, would show the diversity in the category -- and additional manufacturer cars be they Chevrolets or Cadillacs or BMWs or Genesis could then follow the Mustang and Z if the commercial package reaches a viable point.
Why not just run GT4 as the Australian Touring Car Championship? Or GT3? The Z and a stack of other good stuff is already homolgated for one or both of those...

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The regulators either stick with it and push on regardless, or if there is change and if it needs to remain touring car/sedan based apply to.SRO to take the GT3 format and have sedan/coupe shells only. That way you already have Mustang and could have any number of other mainstream makes come in using their existing platforns. I.E.Honda could run an Accord shell on the NSX, Merc could run a C or E Class on the AMG chassis etc etc.
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GT3 is not a good idea and DTM is an example of that. Yes, DTM survived thanks to that and it's still enjoyable (for me at least) but GT3 as a concept is not very well suited for professional racing. Supercars' strength also lies in cars being really unique, there's no other championship in the world that races such cars. DTM's example also shows that a struggle begins when it comes to rivalry with other championships (like ADAC GT Masters and even GTWC). If Supercars adopted GT3 rules, there'd instantly be some sort of competition with Australian GT + many people would say it's no longer Supercars, just "another GT3 championship." Honestly, there's not a single reason why Supercars would adopt GT3. Yes, I know, would be nice to have more manufacturers in Supercars but think we have to accept it's unlikely to ever happen. So I still prefer having two models on the grid in Supercars than watch many different GT3 cars.
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