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Alan Henry's Top 100 Formula One Drivers (Possible Spoilers)
Alan Henry's latest book, The Top 100 F1 Drivers of all Time, is sure to put the cat amongst the pigeons and create plenty of debate. Here are the Top 100.
Those who wish to wait for the book, look away now. 1. Moss 2. Clark 3. Senna 4. Prost 5. Ascari 6. Fangio 7. Rosemeyer 8. Stewart 9. Nuvolari 10. Hakkinen 11. M. Schumacher 12. G. Villeneuve 13. Amon 14. Brooks 15. Reutemann 16. Varzi 17. Fittipaldi 18. Brabham 19. Ma. Andretti 20. Lauda 21. Rindt 22. Piquet Sr 23. Moll 24. Surtees 25. Peterson 26. Lang 27. Gurney 28. K. Rosberg 29. Raikkonen 30. Hamilton 31. Mansell 32. Alonso 33. Carracciola 34. Pironi 35. Ickx 36. Alan Jones 37. Hunt 38. P. Hill 39. D. Hill 40. Hawthorn 41. Farina 42. Scheckter 43. Wimille 44. G. Hill 45. Cevert 46. Berger 47. P. Rodriguez 48. Behra 49. J. Villeneuve 50. R. Rodriguez 51. Regazzoni 52. Hulme 53. Alesi 54. Montoya 55. Pace 56. Chiron 57. Revson 58. Siffert 59. Coulthard 60. Massa 61. Gonzalez 62. Bellof 63. de Angelis 64. Bandini 65. Patrese 66. Tambay 67. Button 68. Barrichello 69. Brundle 70. Warwick 71. Seaman 72. Depailler 73. Collins 74. McLaren 75. Alborete 76. Irvine 77. Ginther 78. Beltoise 79. Servoz-Gavin 80. Boutsen 81. Arnoux 82. Brise 83. Pryce 84. Ireland 85. Trulli 86. Watson 87. Musso 88. Sommer 89. Hailwood 90. Salvadori 91. R. Schumacher 92. von Trips 93. Lewis-Evans 94. Laffite 95. Castellotti 96. Taylor 97. Courage 98. Johansson 99. Mass 100. Redman Wot no Baumgartner? |
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how the hell can Hamilton rate above Alonso and the other champion drivers behind him at the moment he has only had one year in F1 yes it was great but does he deserve to be above some of the others? Button 1 race win and a handful of podiums and Trulli??? Haikkenen above Shumi both great but i think the way Shumi turned Ferrari around and has 7 WDC's next to his name he shoukld be ahead.
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Ok, it would be interesting to see what was the criteria to make this ranking, that would give basis for some discussion here otherwise will be talking to the wind...
And ranking like that are no more than a personal take of an expert. |
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It is presumably a ranking for the authors top one hundred drivers who he feels were the 'best drivers' and not necessarily having anything to do with world championships etc.
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Hah. Ralf is on the list. It's clearly the workings of a mad man.
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Lists like this one are always interesting, but always controversial. I suspect Nigel Roebuck would also put Moss at #1, but it is entirely a subjective opinion.
By and large, the top ten in such lists remains the same, even though the order will be different. Normally M Schumacher would be in there, but I think Alan Henry has knocked him back for his lack of on-track professional courtesy, shall we say. During the week I have read a couple of articles about the book, one by Henry himself and the other by Mark Hughes. One of them made the point, which is a good one, that although Fangio's record is statistically phenomenal, he was almost always in the best car. In contrast, Moss was not. I expect this thread will end up in Armchair Enthusiast, where it will run and run. |
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I don't think it is too bad a list actually, not a lot to disagree with. I'd put Prost ahead of Senna though.
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Fascinating list - I'm going to have to buy the book to read the explanations!
A few things strike me about it: - Schumacher so low down despite his incredible record. I can only assume it's because of his unfortunate ability to attract controversy. - Hamilton in 30th - I think he's got potential to be one of the best ever, but I personally think it's a bit soon to be considering him a better driver than, say, Mansell. - I can only assume he was getting desperate when he got into the 80s, having put Trulli at 85. - Where's Sakon Yamamoto? |
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I would put Michael somewhere in the top 10 and ahead of Hakkinen. Hamilton being ahead of Alonso and Mansell is laughable at this stage of Lewis' career.
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If we are talking pure speed, Hakkinen was superior to Michael. Achievements wise, Schumacher is superior to Hakkinen. Unfortunately, one of these drivers resorted to some pretty poor stuff at times.
The same reason I'd put Prost ahead of Senna, similar skill and speed but Prost just did it cleaner. It is important to note that this is not a list of drivers who are the best statistically. Statistics are a small part of things and far too much importance is placed on them these days. |
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The book will have motivation for every drivers spot on the list right? In that case I will probably buy it.
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Trulli on it? Ralf on it? Can't say I will be taking an interest in this book if that's what he thinks.
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Alan Henry often talks sense. It will be worth it, although miss out because of an opinion if you wish.
I think Alesi is way too high, but I'll still get it. I think everyone will find points they disagree with - it is objective you know. |
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Yeah, that will be very interesting to read why he rates some drivers like that...
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Ralf Schumacher had some good seasons. I don't think his making the top 100 is unreasonable. I'm far less sure about Alesi's ranking, or indeed Hamilton's or Button's.
Good call with Hakkinen, though. |
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There's no way I'd have Moss there. His record simply does not rate the top 10 even. It's the opinion of a certain generation, but wholly wrong in my view.
I agree that stats aren't everything, but 15 wins and no championship against even Nigel's record of 30+ and 1 champ + indycar shows Moss to be overated. I also read somewhere that he was not mechanically aware and tended to break cars as a result. |
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First thoughts. Damon ahead of his dad? I'm going to read this one.
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Of course it's someone's personal opinion. It'd be flawed without Trulli and Alesi in my view, and I'd rank Reubens higher, doubtless that'd be laughable in some folks' eyes. Who cares. I don't own the book, but I once browsed a Moss tome, and all his results were printed in full, not just F1. A cursory glance suggested that he achieved either a pole, fastest lap or win in just about every race he entered.
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Likewise I wouldn't put those two (Trulli/Alesi) in the top 200, but as you say, it is a personal opinion.
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