Tech Issue 2011 Pirelli tyres - Page 3

duke_toaster · 20 Jan 2011, 14:39 (Ref:2818319)

http://en.espnf1.com/f1/motorsport/s...ml?CMP=OTC-RSS

Pirelli to have a colouring system that includes all tyres? Supersoft, soft, hard and superhard. Tyres will also be allocated by random draw, to stop any allegations of monkey business.

Pingguest · 20 Jan 2011, 15:41 (Ref:2818359)

Here's one to think about: if it's OK to mess around with the tyres to artificially 'spice up' the racing, why don't we introduce sprinkler systems?

Marbot · 20 Jan 2011, 17:12 (Ref:2818396)

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Originally Posted by Pingguest

Here's one to think about: if it's OK to mess around with the tyres to artificially 'spice up' the racing, why don't we introduce sprinkler systems?

So, what wouldn't be "artificial" ?

It also depends what you mean by "mess around with the tyres" ? Should tyres last 20 laps or a whole race weekend?

I think that if you look at those extremes, Pirelli aren't particularly messing around with tyres. At least not to the extent that turning a sprinkler system on, would have.

I would also think that it's entirely possible for Pirelli, or whoever, to make a tyre that could probably last a whole race weekend, solely in the interests of being 'green'. Who would want that? The whole race weekend would be focused on the condition of a particular driver or cars tyres. The technical analysis of which, would be mind numbingly boring, even for fans that like that sort of stuff.

Wims · 20 Jan 2011, 20:41 (Ref:2818510)

"Yeah, I couldnt attempt an overtaking move as I had to look after my tyres. Thats why we were driving in a train for 50 laps". "I destroyed my tyres on lap 2 and after that there was nothing I could do but following the train". Tyres that last an entire race seems like a pretty bad idea when I think about it

dyewat808 · 20 Jan 2011, 20:58 (Ref:2818516)

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Originally Posted by ECW Dan Selby

I think that's what the adjustable rear wing is trying to solve. And I think to a certain degree, it will.

It's debatable as to whether that's the "right" way of dealing with it, but I think it's a good temp solution until 2013.

Selby

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And again, I think it's the idea of embracing technology and using our technological advancements to our advantage. Alot of people compare the idea to 'Mario' or the 'computer game generation' - to a certain degree, I guess that's something that F1 needs to do, as it is meant to be at the forefront of automotive technological advancements. The idea of an adjustable rear wing that could be activated within 1 second of the car infront would seem almost space-age back in the day.

Thinking about this for a bit, I agree. So what if its artificial? It's high tech, which is "what F1 is all about" as people like to emphasise. Mario-like Nitro boosts, or moveable rear wings - it doesn't matter, they both add an extra dimension to it, and make a race otherwise boring into something interesting. It gives us all something more to talk about too.

Personally, I'm looking forward to an augmented reality F1, and a GP on the moon (like in that advert - can't remember what company...)

JeremySmith · 21 Jan 2011, 03:03 (Ref:2818600)

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Originally Posted by duke_toaster

http://en.espnf1.com/f1/motorsport/s...ml?CMP=OTC-RSS

Pirelli to have a colouring system that includes all tyres? Supersoft, soft, hard and superhard. Tyres will also be allocated by random draw, to stop any allegations of monkey business.

I am not so sure that we need to know which tyre a team is using, do we?

TF110 · 21 Jan 2011, 10:15 (Ref:2818691)

They're medium (blue) and hard (yellow) and each tire will be low-life compared to 2010's Bridgestone's.

Marbot · 21 Jan 2011, 10:24 (Ref:2818697)

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Originally Posted by JeremySmith

I am not so sure that we need to know which tyre a team is using, do we?

Apparently, the 'fans' also want to know when a driver is using his KERS or has deployed his rear wing flap. Go figure.

All these things are variables that the driver can use to affect the race outcome, and maybe it would be better to know that a driver has made the wrong choice of tyre, or whatever, during the race rather than a few hours after it has finished.

ECW Dan Selby · 21 Jan 2011, 10:25 (Ref:2818698)

I'd like to know all of the above

Be that as a fan or a 'fan'.

Selby

JohnSSC · 21 Jan 2011, 14:44 (Ref:2818840)

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Originally Posted by Pingguest

Here's one to think about: if it's OK to mess around with the tyres to artificially 'spice up' the racing, why don't we introduce sprinkler systems?

Not a bad idea. There is an element who like the "danger" of racing - perhaps random firings of RPG's could spice things up a bit.

My preference would be to have the Team Principal appear at random corners with his arm around a young driver holding a cheque...

JeremySmith · 22 Jan 2011, 18:23 (Ref:2819273)

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Originally Posted by Marbot

Apparently, the 'fans' also want to know when a driver is using his KERS or has deployed his rear wing flap. Go figure.

All these things are variables that the driver can use to affect the race outcome, and maybe it would be better to know that a driver has made the wrong choice of tyre, or whatever, during the race rather than a few hours after it has finished.

I would rather not have that info and just concentrate on the racing..

Marking the tyres showing compound type will give the game away to the other teams..

Marbot · 22 Jan 2011, 20:30 (Ref:2819308)

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Originally Posted by JeremySmith

Marking the tyres showing compound type will give the game away to the other teams..

May as well have it 'open', rather than have a pit lane and paddock area teeming with 'spies'.

TF110 · 27 Jan 2011, 07:40 (Ref:2821205)

Story on motorsport says Pirelli wants a newer car and has rejected Toyota's offer to take it to the windtunnel and update it, due to costs. But then again, they won't be able to use any team's car because of an unfair advantage. So what will Pirelli do?

Chatters · 27 Jan 2011, 08:08 (Ref:2821216)

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Originally Posted by TF110

Story on motorsport says Pirelli wants a newer car and has rejected Toyota's offer to take it to the windtunnel and update it, due to costs. But then again, they won't be able to use any team's car because of an unfair advantage. So what will Pirelli do?

Maybe they could test with the Hispania F110- I don't think anyone would gain an advantage if they used that.

JeremySmith · 27 Jan 2011, 08:11 (Ref:2821217)

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Originally Posted by Chatters

Maybe they could test with the Hispania F110- I don't think anyone would gain an advantage if they used that.

Nice one!

RF_Racer · 27 Jan 2011, 08:49 (Ref:2821244)

So what have Toyota done with their 2010 car that never raced? Pirelli are using the 09 car right?

TF110 · 28 Jan 2011, 09:32 (Ref:2821668)

Something weird about that. Toyota are withholding their 2010 car, the TF110. But why? HRT can't use it, they didn't pay. So is another team going to use it? Maybe the cost is too much to run the new car or maybe they're updating it for 2012? Something is fishy because they have no entry this year with F1, and unless something changes, I doubt it'll be relevant for next year if they decide to enter, if there is even an entry open. So I'm not sure but the whole thing is weird.

**Adam43** · 28 Jan 2011, 18:07 (Ref:2821935)

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Originally Posted by JeremySmith

I would rather not have that info and just concentrate on the racing..

Marking the tyres showing compound type will give the game away to the other teams..

I don't want to be obvious either. I'd prefer it work it out. Most prefer not to bother though so I lose.

TF110 · 28 Jan 2011, 21:14 (Ref:2822014)

It's not much difference. This year would be the same as last year. Two different compounds for a given weekend unless otherwise stated. So it's super soft or medium, hard or soft, you get it? Nothing that says the teams will have an edge because they know what tire the other teams are using. It's been that way for years.

Pingguest · 30 Jan 2011, 11:52 (Ref:2822654)

I just read an interesting article about the new tyres in a Dutch Formula 1 magazine. It's not unlikely that the new wet weather tyres won't be properly tested before this season's start. With the tyres being the unknown territory in wet conditions or even simply underdeveloped, wet races may truly become a serious problem.

It now really looks as though as the budget and testing restrictions caused severe, damaging poverty.

Sodemo · 30 Jan 2011, 12:48 (Ref:2822682)

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Originally Posted by Pingguest

I just read an interesting article about the new tyres in a Dutch Formula 1 magazine. It's not unlikely that the new wet weather tyres won't be properly tested before this season's start. With the tyres being the unknown territory in wet conditions or even simply underdeveloped, wet races may truly become a serious problem.

It now really looks as though as the budget and testing restrictions caused severe, damaging poverty.

Thats not really a problem since it seems as though they won't run anymore in full wet conditions. Light rain it seems is all today's F1 drivers can handle.

Pingguest · 30 Jan 2011, 13:19 (Ref:2822693)

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Originally Posted by Sodemo

Thats not really a problem since it seems as though they won't run anymore in full wet conditions. Light rain it seems is all today's F1 drivers can handle.

With standardized tyres, deployments of the Safety Car to artificially spice up the racing, post-qualifying parc fermé, very little pre-season testing and other resources restricted, it's almost impossible to blame them.

JeremySmith · 30 Jan 2011, 14:50 (Ref:2822732)

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Originally Posted by Sodemo

Thats not really a problem since it seems as though they won't run anymore in full wet conditions. Light rain it seems is all today's F1 drivers can handle.

I am not sure I see the point in running in a torrential downpour?

RF_Racer · 30 Jan 2011, 18:23 (Ref:2822839)

The non curved Perelli logo looks a bit rubbish!

JeremySmith · 30 Jan 2011, 18:30 (Ref:2822843)

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Originally Posted by RF_Racer

The non curved Perelli logo looks a bit rubbish!

I like it myself...

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