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Old 19 Oct 2018, 11:47 (Ref:3857727)   #1
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United States Grand Prix 2018: Grand Prix Weekend Thread

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Old 19 Oct 2018, 12:17 (Ref:3857730)   #2
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Hmmmm a 5:10am Monday start time for me. Recording devices for this one.
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Old 19 Oct 2018, 12:28 (Ref:3857734)   #3
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Hmmmm a 5:10am Monday start time for me. Recording devices for this one.
Should be starting just as I get back from the BRSCC Mazda finals at Donington. Overalls off, feet up, beer, F1!
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Old 19 Oct 2018, 19:08 (Ref:3857798)   #5
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Great intro as ever, .

Like the late James Hunt would say, "It's all over bar the shouting", as Lulu pretty much has this in the bag. This is the 7th running of the race at COTA and he's won here 5 times, the only other winner being Vettee, who looks like being the bridesmaid in the WDC, again.
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Old 19 Oct 2018, 20:21 (Ref:3857812)   #7
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You should be happy.... your man (Hartley) is currently P3!
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Vettel with a 3 place grid drop and 20 lines.. “I must slow sufficiently under the red flag”....
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Sebastian Vettel has received a three-place grid penalty for failing to slow sufficiently for red flags during P1. So even if he qualifies fastest, the best he can do is start 4th.

Game even more over, but no one to blame but himself. Again.
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14 drivers on track at the time the red came out. Only one driver was penalised for exceeding the speed.

Same driver is now asking for a rule change. So is it the ruling that is an issue, or the incompetence of that one driver??


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I'd like to see a breakdown of where all the drivers were on the track and their individual speed traces. As was discussed by the SkyF1 guys, if you are in a slow section it's easy not to accelerate. When you are in a high speed section, and given track conditions ... Is jumping hard on the breaks to get below a delta time the safest option, or a more gradual controlled slowdown to that delta speed?

As PDR pointed out, there would or should be a yellow flag displayed in the incident sector as well as the Red flags around the circuit. Where Vettel was there was no additional yellow.
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Is jumping hard on the breaks to get below a delta time the safest option
No, and it is not what the driver is required to do.
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or a more gradual controlled slowdown to that delta speed?
Correct, and what the driver is required to do. This is what Vettel did not do. He did slow down, but not to the delta, and even increased his speed several times. To add to this, he was not aware what the red flag was for. He was thinking the red was for a stranded car at T9 or T10!

Vettel: "I saw the red flag, I slowed down, I had a look around to see where the car was, potentially stuck in the wall or if there was one around Turn 9 and 10 and then I slowed down significantly to comply with the rules."

No excuses. Slowing down only at a point where he believed there was an issue, but then speeding up at another part of the track that he believed there wasn't an issue. That is just plain dumb, and dangerous - particularly if a marshal was to be on the track to recover a car, debris or something other.

Ocon and Ricciardo were given the same penalty in Japan and Australia respectively. If anything, Ricciardo's penalty in particular was the most unjust of the three.


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Old 20 Oct 2018, 08:28 (Ref:3857885)   #14
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Seems like some other drivers also agree with Vettel


https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/v...sjean/3198458/

Apparently, inside the paddock, other drivers are not happy that Vettel got this penalty. .
There’s talk in the paddock of a change for next year’s red flag rules. Apparently
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Vettel is incompetent and has no excuses (despite the drivers backing him up), but Daniel Riccardos equal penalty was unjust.

Good to see another thread in the F1 forum get derailed right on time.
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