Driver Lewis Hamilton is the best driver in F1. Discuss - Page 14

ECW Dan Selby · 27 Sep 2010, 11:44 (Ref:2765420)

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Originally Posted by Marbot

JB's overtaking abilities are without doubt. Whereas........

Button need only worry about Hamilton, but he doesn't strike me as someone who is worrying about much at all at the moment.

I also think that it's wholly possible that Button would be doing a better job than Vettel is currently doing in the Red Bull.

Nah, i'd agree with that wholeheartedly. But then one could argue that the current World Champion (whose been in F1 for 11 years) should beat a driver whose been in F1 for 2 and a half years.

Selby

**Born Racer** · 27 Sep 2010, 12:11 (Ref:2765436)

I still think Hamilton's the best, by a whisker. If he was maximising his pace potential almost straight away in 2007, then we can see that he is at least as quick as the Ferrari number 1.

His errors recently stem partly from being in a slightly inferior car and the team making a curious strategy decision in Singapore. He shouldn't have even been behind Webber to make the error he made in the overtake.

**Bononi** · 27 Sep 2010, 14:03 (Ref:2765520)

Born Racer, definitely you need to change your avatar... is scaring !

**Born Racer** · 27 Sep 2010, 16:07 (Ref:2765586)

Haha, that's the second request I've had to that effect, Bononi.

Just what do you think Kobayashi is thinking in that picture?

E.B · 27 Sep 2010, 17:36 (Ref:2765623)

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Originally Posted by Born Racer

Just what do you think Kobayashi is thinking in that picture?

".... and dont mention Schumacher or I will scream"

Marbot · 27 Sep 2010, 18:59 (Ref:2765665)

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Originally Posted by Born Racer

Just what do you think Kobayashi is thinking in that picture?

Pedlo! Why you thwow blake carriper at reg?!

**Bononi** · 27 Sep 2010, 22:24 (Ref:2765799)

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Originally Posted by Born Racer

Haha, that's the second request I've had to that effect, Bononi.

Just what do you think Kobayashi is thinking in that picture?

Well, I think he's trying so hard to do something...

**Born Racer** · 27 Sep 2010, 23:11 (Ref:2765808)

I know what you mean. I thought the same.

Super Hans · 28 Sep 2010, 11:50 (Ref:2765999)

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Originally Posted by Born Racer

Just what do you think Kobayashi is thinking in that picture?

"Do crabs think we walk sideways?"

stripedcat · 28 Sep 2010, 13:52 (Ref:2766068)

I think Teflonso is probably the best all round driver in F1 at the moment. Hamilton is not that far behind, but I think he is lacking Fernando's experience and his strategic knowledge. I think Hamilton is the best at overtaking(not withstanding his crashes in the last two races) and also the best wet weather driver at the moment(his 2008 British Grand Prix drive was amazing). For qualifying I think Vettel might be the strongest at it(although he does currently have the best car at the moment, maybe next year we will be able to gauge his qualifying performance more accurately).

Super Hans · 28 Sep 2010, 14:00 (Ref:2766071)

I tend to switch between Alonso and Hamilton. For the bulk of this season I'd have said Hamilton was the best, but all it takes is a couple of mistakes from him and a couple of top performances from Alonso and I start to change my mind.

Those two are leagues ahead though, in my opinion, with little to split them.

ralf fan · 28 Sep 2010, 14:09 (Ref:2766076)

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Originally Posted by Super Hans

I tend to switch between Alonso and Hamilton. For the bulk of this season I'd have said Hamilton was the best, but all it takes is a couple of mistakes from him and a couple of top performances from Alonso and I start to change my mind.

Those two are leagues ahead though, in my opinion, with little to split them.

I agree. Alonso especially in the last 5 races is showing his Renault form again. But I think Hamilton is now atleast comparable to Alonso which I don't think was the case even in 2008 when he won the title as at the time I still thought Alonso was the best.

Marbot · 28 Sep 2010, 14:18 (Ref:2766082)

I find it hard to pick either one as the "complete" driver, quicker maybe, but not complete. Previous mistakes (and 'miss-takes') from both of them this season could cost them dearly.

Super Hans · 28 Sep 2010, 14:25 (Ref:2766084)

What is a complete driver? Has there ever been a complete driver? All drivers are human beings and they suffer fluctuations in performance along with occasional errors.

Fox89 · 28 Sep 2010, 14:39 (Ref:2766090)

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Originally Posted by Super Hans

What is a complete driver? Has there ever been a complete driver? All drivers are human beings and they suffer fluctuations in performance along with occasional errors.

^ Good point.

Now I think about it, how many drivers really have 'everything'? Drivers like Alonso sacrifice a little bit of raw pace and overtaking prowess for consistency, and drivers like Hamilton pull off the more daring moves at the risk and occasionally cost of their race.

It's the old Senna vs Prost argument. Two slightly different approaches, two great drivers, but neither one really the complete package.

I do think we have a 'complete' in the field, and that's Button. But he suffers a little from being a Jack of all trades, master of few that stops him reaching the heights of Lewis and Fernando.

Knowlesy · 28 Sep 2010, 18:37 (Ref:2766218)

I don't think Button is complete, once the car is off the sweet spot he loses out much more than many.

He is simply very experienced and patient.

**chunterer** · 28 Sep 2010, 19:19 (Ref:2766243)

There's Alonso, Lewis and then quite a gap to the rest in terms of outright ability to drive a racing car consistently quickly and consistently cleverly.

I've long held a suspicion that Webber is as good as he's now proving to be so I might well put him at the top of best of the rest along with Kubica, Vettel, Button and I would've said Massa but he's dropped off big time.

Timo Glock to my mind is at least the equal of the likes of Nico, Sutil, Kovalainen and Rubens in a kind of 3rd division but like Barrichello, Glock could quite easily give everyone in the second tier a very hard time in the right car.

I've deliberately left Schuey out of this as it would be unfair on him!!

Wims · 28 Sep 2010, 19:45 (Ref:2766259)

Nico Rosberg is more talented and skilled than JB. Its unfair to put him in the third tier category and JB in the second. Both are second rate, however NR is towards the top while JB is towards the bottom

Marbot · 28 Sep 2010, 20:01 (Ref:2766270)

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Originally Posted by Wims

Nico Rosberg is more talented and skilled than JB. Its unfair to put him in the third tier category and JB in the second. Both are second rate, however NR is towards the top while JB is towards the bottom

I'm glad that's just your opinion.

They're all a much of a muchness IMO.

It's the same when people try comparing guitarists or drummers, only they don't get involved in world championships to try and see which one actually is better.

It's all just perception.

I've just read an article about why one journalist thinks that a certain driver is performing poorly. What utter dross!

**chunterer** · 28 Sep 2010, 20:39 (Ref:2766284)

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Originally Posted by Marbot

I'm glad that's just your opinion.

It's all just perception.

I've just read an article about why one journalist thinks that a certain driver is performing poorly. What utter dross!

Yes it is about perception for all of us and that's exactly the same for team managers and so called experts. A lot of people don't know what they're looking at or understand why it's happening though.

In fact most people only believe what they read or hear, or see on the box and that's not just for F1!!!

Ooh that article....

Go on then, give us a clue???

maximus · 28 Sep 2010, 20:48 (Ref:2766290)

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Originally Posted by Wims

Nico Rosberg is more talented and skilled than JB. Its unfair to put him in the third tier category and JB in the second. Both are second rate, however NR is towards the top while JB is towards the bottom

I'm sorry, I've seen nothing to prove to me that Rosberg is better than Button. Rosberg is good, but not as good as JB just yet. There is time for him to improve though and he has been good this season.

**Born Racer** · 28 Sep 2010, 20:55 (Ref:2766293)

Button has done very well this season, possibly even better than in 2009, but he can't hold a candle to Hamilton.

Wims · 28 Sep 2010, 21:05 (Ref:2766298)

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Originally Posted by Marbot

I'm glad that's just your opinion.

They're all a much of a muchness IMO.

It's the same when people try comparing guitarists or drummers, only they don't get involved in world championships to try and see which one actually is better.

It's all just perception.

I've just read an article about why one journalist thinks that a certain driver is performing poorly. What utter dross!

Well, I'm here to discuss and exchange ideas, thats what forums is for right? Almost all of my posts are exactly that, my ideas and opinions.

Super Hans · 28 Sep 2010, 21:22 (Ref:2766312)

I think it's a bit of a stretch to place Rosberg, a man without a win to his name, ahead of Button, a World Champion who has scored victories for three different teams. The coming years might prove you right though, who knows?

Wims · 28 Sep 2010, 21:49 (Ref:2766329)

I did make a post about why I considered Rosberg to be more talented than JB, then I moved it into my previous post as I had posted a double post without noticing it, but it appear to not have been saved properly. So I'll have to post again I guess.

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Originally Posted by maximus

I'm sorry, I've seen nothing to prove to me that Rosberg is better than Button. Rosberg is good, but not as good as JB just yet. There is time for him to improve though and he has been good this season.

Well, he has been thrashing the 7 time world champion this season, and he have put a car which is basically a 2009 Brawn with minor updates on the podium several races this season. Remember that the 2010 Merc didnt receive any sort of development during the 2009 season as Brawn did not have any funds and the little they had they had to spend on the 2009 car to ensure them winning the championship. If Rosberg is able to put a 2009 car on the podium this year, imagine what he'll be able to do in 2011 when he'll have a properly funded and developed Merc.

BTW Button didnt have any wins either until he won in 2006, a bunch of years into his F1 career. Infact, he was almost out of work. I guess this just goes to show exactly how important it is to have the proper equipment to be able to perform in F1. And possibly that the performance level of the drivers are alot closer than the results indicate.

Feels like i forgot some of the most important points in my previous post, I'll add them later if they pop back into my head.

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