PanozLMPO7 - Page 2

Vman · 8 Feb 2004, 23:56 (Ref:867594)

If it was designed around the Zytek V8 why not fit it with the 3.4 liter version? No vibration problems with it.

veeten · 9 Feb 2004, 00:11 (Ref:867608)

points of comparison...

Panoz V8 611 mm.
Mugen Mf408 720 mm.
Judd KV675 642 mm.
Zytec ZB408 611.5 mm.

Judd GV5 V10 569 mm.

looking at the widths of these V8s, (including the two engines that were in the LMP07) there is a better understanding of what's being put in play. Also that all of the engines are 90 degree, except for the GV5 at 72. If someone could give me the dimensions of the Modular 5.0L in metric proportions, there would be a point of comparison.

Mopar · 9 Feb 2004, 01:28 (Ref:867653)

Sorry to be a damper on the whole debate but is it worth any team putting huge resources into developement of a car which will be effectively outlawed in few years due to the introduction of stepped bottomed cars, something panoz has hinted at as being there possible reason for not making a front engined LMP car again. I love the LMP07 and think it should be out on the circuits but i just cant see it happening! slightly off topic do you reckon intersport series will make a resurgence as there are a lot of flat bottomed cars which will have no place to race soon?

Es Nes · 9 Feb 2004, 02:16 (Ref:867690)

unfortinatly that is true, the lmp07 was the only panoz i liked

vinnie · 9 Feb 2004, 19:51 (Ref:868670)

The best panoz ever is the one with the big 6 litre V8. The sound is verry verry nice. The sound looks like a spitfire. It s the only car that you can hear and feel. About the chassis ,you like it or dislike it. For me its the ultimate car. Not in performence but, more as fun to look at as spectator

Tim Northcutt · 9 Feb 2004, 20:10 (Ref:868691)

Well...I had raised the issue of running various chasssis in other threads knowing that they were going to be obsolete in a few seasons as a "Shoestring" option for teams that would want to compete, and in a few years buy the "one-offs" form the 2004 specs cars that teams will run next year as "used" cars when the next generation or "tweaked" 2004s are raced in subsequent years.. ...

but that was with chassis that were cheap and could be fitted with various types of engines...

I don't think it would be worth the investment, unless someone wanted to use it as a test mule for a front-engined prototype that they were going to commission from a designer and builder for the 2005 season...
and you could get it cheap....REAL CHEAP....because you'd be cutting on it and trying things out that ould give you some testing or performance data to apply to the new car twhile it was a "work in progress..."

dretceterini · 9 Feb 2004, 22:12 (Ref:868833)

As to turning it into an LMP2 car, how wide is the Judd 3.4
V8?

BobN · 9 Feb 2004, 22:22 (Ref:868851)

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Originally posted by dretceterini
As to turning it into an LMP2 car, how wide is the Judd 3.4
V8?

It's a carbon tub and therefore is in LMP1 regardless of what engine it runs.

Intersport is running the 3.4 liter Judd in both cars it has and because to the carbon tub the former MG runs in LMP1 while the Lola BK2/40 runs in LMP2.

JAG · 9 Feb 2004, 23:09 (Ref:868908)

Carbon tubs can be run in LMP2, if they are a genuine LMP2 such as the Courage C65.

BobN · 10 Feb 2004, 00:19 (Ref:868952)

How was the Courage C65 anymore genuine LMP675 than the DBA or Lola? Are you saying the C65 actually meets LMP2 rules not grandfathered LMP675.

JAG · 10 Feb 2004, 00:26 (Ref:868955)

The Courage C65 was always intended to be a LMP2 car. It has now been homologated as an LMP2 car with some changes.

BobN · 10 Feb 2004, 01:19 (Ref:868984)

Jag, are you saying the C65 was built to unpublished rules at the time and simply ran in LMP675? It sounds as though you are saying the car is not being grandfathered, but re-homolagated is that correct? What did they start with that separated them from the DBA and Lola? I assume that it must have met the bottom and overhang dimensions in order to now become a real LMP2. Does it now avoid the fuel cell size and wing restrictions the grandfathered cars got? This is the first I have seen of a grandfathered (although it sounds like it is avoiding that designation) carbon chassis being allowed in LMP2.

Regardless of these answers the Panoz LMP07 could not run in LMP2 (unless of course they also re-homomlagated and met LMP2 specs).

JAG · 10 Feb 2004, 02:05 (Ref:869008)

Quote:

Originally posted by BobN
Jag, are you saying the C65 was built to unpublished rules at the time and simply ran in LMP675? It sounds as though you are saying the car is not being grandfathered, but re-homolagated is that correct? What did they start with that separated them from the DBA and Lola? I assume that it must have met the bottom and overhang dimensions in order to now become a real LMP2. Does it now avoid the fuel cell size and wing restrictions the grandfathered cars got? This is the first I have seen of a grandfathered (although it sounds like it is avoiding that designation) carbon chassis being allowed in LMP2.

Regardless of these answers the Panoz LMP07 could not run in LMP2 (unless of course they also re-homomlagated and met LMP2 specs).

Being based at LM, Courage were given info by the ACO as to what would, and would not be allowed in LMP2. The Courage C65 LMP2 car has had to be changed from its 2003 spec.

The C65 was always envisages as an LMP2 car, and has indeed been re-homologated as a genuine LMP2 car, carbon chassis and all, with no restrictions.

Rhino · 10 Feb 2004, 22:01 (Ref:869955)

The zytek engine in the lmp 07 was well down on power. They did a back to back test and the 6 litre produced 600hp 500lb torque. The 4 litre 500hp and 300lb torque. The cooling was **** and it had vibration so bad the engine frame cracked and it broke bolts, it also made it difficult for drivers to breathe at certain rev range!!

dretceterini · 10 Feb 2004, 23:09 (Ref:870048)

The Courage LM675 car has a carbon tub as was built before 2004, so it needs to be re-certified the way I read the rules. Why couldn't the 007 be re-certified as a LMP2 car with the 3.4 Judd?

JAG · 10 Feb 2004, 23:33 (Ref:870066)

Quote:

Originally posted by dretceterini
The Courage LM675 car has a carbon tub as was built before 2004, so it needs to be re-certified the way I read the rules. Why couldn't the 007 be re-certified as a LMP2 car with the 3.4 Judd?

It could be, but they would also have to go to the expense and hassle of converting it the the new regs.

The C65 was always intented to be a LMP2 car.

BobN · 11 Feb 2004, 02:20 (Ref:870171)

Doc, maybe they can get it down to 750kg. by losing the front overhang and putting no engine in it. The Judd can't weigh much more than the Zytec and I doubt they were carrying 150 kg. of ballast as a LMP900.

Vman · 12 Feb 2004, 00:38 (Ref:871367)

I don't know how close to 750kg the LMP07 could get but Panoz did have thoughts of running it as a 675 with the 3.4 Zytek, so it may be possible. I think it might be more reasonable to run it as a LMP1 with the 3.4 Zytek, because the Zytek already makes 550hp with 675 restrictors.