The Alonso blocking/penalty thread (AKA The rage is on !) [MERGED] - Page 4

Last2LiftOff · 4 Aug 2007, 13:46 (Ref:1980557)

Isn't it possible the team really was just trying to get him out with clear track and didn't realise they'd scuttle his teammates last chance? Doesn't make it any less severe but changes the whole dynamic from (very) unsporting to just plain stupid. Is Alonzo that small a man? I hope not.

**Peter Mallett** · 4 Aug 2007, 13:47 (Ref:1980558)

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Originally Posted by ensign14

I think Alonso was.

Which is the point.

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Originally Posted by Jimmy Magnussun

A couple of important points.

* How did Alonso know how long to wait? It's not like he's got a watch in the car.

* And more importantly; Ron Dennis & Co. was livid. They did not approve at all... Did you see the Alonso - Hamilton handshake afterwards? Didn't look particulary friendly to me!

* Who was the McLaren guy that Ron grabbed and brought down the pitlane? He had something to do with Alonso but I can't remember what.

* Alonso looked very stressed at the press conference, and Lewis' answer to "By how much did you miss getting a flying lap?" with "About as much time as I was held up in the pits" was very to the point...

Alonso didn't knoiw but I suspect his main thrust was to delay Lewis and even if it cost him he didn't mind.

Yep ron was pretty fed up, didn't see the handshake because I switched off.

Was it fernando's manager? (or is he still managed by Flav?).

He's been found out. I suspect Hamilton realises he's got Alonso rattled.

Tone · 4 Aug 2007, 13:47 (Ref:1980559)

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Originally Posted by Jimmy Magnusson

A couple of important points.

* How did Alonso know how long to wait? It's not like he's got a watch in the car.

He would have known how long till the cut off so he didnt miss it.

davyboy · 4 Aug 2007, 13:47 (Ref:1980560)

After Alonso did what he did, who came off best today ? He may have nicked pole from Hamilton... but he's laid a bed of nails for himself in the team. You need the team behind you to win championships and you could see by the faces in the pit garages and in parc ferme that the team were not happy. Ron appeared to be beside himself with anger.

What he did will come back to haunt him I'm sure.

mjstallard · 4 Aug 2007, 13:47 (Ref:1980561)

I do wonder if Ron will make McLaren will enforce an unofficial 10 second stop go on Fernando during pitstops tomorrow

SLK55 · 4 Aug 2007, 13:49 (Ref:1980564)

Just on a side note. Ron dennis catching the attention of Alonsos trainer very much reminded me of Basil Fawlty talking to Manuel. Just a shame he didn;t march him off down the pitlane holding his ear or slapping him on the back of the head.
I'm sure when Ron meets Alonso, he'll be whipping him with some random tree branch !!

Tim Wilkinson · 4 Aug 2007, 13:49 (Ref:1980565)

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Originally Posted by ensign14

But the drivers can't both have the same strategy. One's got to have the best, the other the next best. Which one do you think will get which?

And Ron's not frightened of getting rid of drivers if he doesn't like them...Montoya mid-season, Raikkonen...

Apologies, I thought you were saying he'd give FA strategies that were just plain bad, rather than second best.

I think that will depend on who's in the stronger championship position, which could be different after tomorrow than it is today.

Yes, JPM left, but I'm not sure he was better than the replacement options at that time - not convinced it was just personal, rather more for the good of the team.

The team probably told FA how long he had when he came in - he'd know the last moment he could go out to get a lap in, he'd just make sure he left the box after (that time plus a pit-stop).

Datsun · 4 Aug 2007, 13:49 (Ref:1980566)

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Originally Posted by ensign14

Ron's not frightened of getting rid of drivers if he doesn't like them...Montoya mid-season, Raikkonen...

I thought Ron would have preferred to keep Raikkonen. I know in the past he had said that if they lost Raikkonen due to underperformance or unreliability of the McLaren cars that it was their own fault.

Did I miss something, did McLaren really "get rid" of Raikkonen?!

Knowlesy · 4 Aug 2007, 13:50 (Ref:1980567)

Yes davyboy.

As I said earlier, there will no doubt be a bit of preference over fuel strategies tomorrow that's for sure. McLaren will make sure Lewis wins tomorrow I feel.

As for after that, well, who knows. I like to think McLaren will kind of get on with it through gritted teeth!

429CJ · 4 Aug 2007, 13:50 (Ref:1980568)

I wish, tomorrow, Hairball and Carl Lewis take each other out on the first corner, letting Nick or Kimi for the victory.

**chunterer** · 4 Aug 2007, 13:51 (Ref:1980569)

Ron's seen this before with Senna and Prost though hasn't he?!!

Accepted they were light years in front of other teams at the time, and not in competition with 2 other decent drivers in competitive Ferraris!! fair enough. But if McLaren insist in trying to pair up top drivers and expect them to make way for each other, it ain't gonna happen!!

How on earth does anyone expect a double WDC to let some upstart and hugely talented newcomer come in and try and steal his limelight?!

henk4 · 4 Aug 2007, 13:51 (Ref:1980570)

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Originally Posted by EERO

This is absolutely spot on.

Alonso's behavior today is a brilliant bit of strategy, especially given the decided disadvantage cars on the dirty side of the track have in Hungary.

Unfortunately, it isn't remotely what anyone could call "sporting".

we just have to wait for the British tabloids to get the "real" story....

davyboy · 4 Aug 2007, 13:51 (Ref:1980571)

If the team were quick thinking... they shouldn't have changed Hamilton's tyres and rolled him out two inches from Alonso's a$$.

strider · 4 Aug 2007, 13:51 (Ref:1980572)

Just suppose Lewis had been instructed by the team earlier in the session to move over for Alonso and had refused to do so and told Ron what to do with his instruction? If that were to be right what Alonso did would be payback time. Then who's the villain?

Just a thought.

Alternatively place money now on both McLarens eliminating each in Turn 1 tomorrow

Spritle · 4 Aug 2007, 13:52 (Ref:1980573)

Does Alonso really RUN the team to the point he has the final say on TEAM strategy?? Do you really thing HE told them to hold up Lewis and they obeyed his command?? So Lewis and Ron are really working for Alonso??

Don't blame Alonso; blame the team...

...the same lillywhite team who couldn't possibly have looked at or used the Ferrari data; the same team that would NEVER use team orders; the same team that is beyond cheating or anything unsportsmanlike.

Ha; I love it!!!!!

Maybe they held up Lewis because they were thumbing through the Ferrari data trying to figure out Kimi's strategy...????

MacLaren credibility just went down another notch with this blatant display of team orders.

But hey, they don't do that; only Ferrari does.

Makes you wonder a bit what else they are capable of??

But hey Mac fans; don't blame the team; blame the Spanard...

...it's so much more convenient.

Knowlesy · 4 Aug 2007, 13:52 (Ref:1980574)

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Originally Posted by strider

Alternatively place money now on both McLarens eliminating each in Turn 1 tomorrow

I don't think they are that stupid!

SLK55 · 4 Aug 2007, 13:52 (Ref:1980575)

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Originally Posted by henk4

we just have to wait for the British tabloids to get the "real" story....

Expect to see a petition to get all charter flights to Spain cancelled !

Noah · 4 Aug 2007, 13:54 (Ref:1980576)

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Originally Posted by Last2LiftOff

Isn't it possible the team really was just trying to get him out with clear track and didn't realise they'd scuttle his teammates last chance?

I don't think so. Once the team was done delaying Alonso, the lollipop man raised the lollipop, and Alonso waited an additional 2 or 3 seconds before leaving!

Down F0rce · 4 Aug 2007, 13:54 (Ref:1980577)

If Fernando gets a grilling from the tabloids then he's doing all the right things. They don't know a damn thing about racing, and only pretend to care when someone British is winning.

SLK55 · 4 Aug 2007, 13:54 (Ref:1980578)

You need to get off the drugs !! lol

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Originally Posted by Spritle

Does Alonso really RUN the team to the point he has the final say on TEAM strategy?? Do you really thing HE told them to hold up Lewis and they obeyed his command?? So Lewis and Ron are really working for Alonso??

Don't blame Alonso; blame the team...

...the same lillywhite team who couldn't possibly have looked at or used the Ferrari data; the same team that would NEVER use team orders; the same team that is beyond cheating or anything unsportsmanlike.

Ha; I love it!!!!!

Maybe they held up Lewis because they were thumbing through the Ferrari data trying to figure out Kimi's strategy...????

MacLaren credibility just went down another notch with this blatant display of team orders.

But hey, they don't do that; only Ferrari does.

Makes you wonder a bit what else they are capable of??

But hey Mac fans; don't blame the team; blame the Spanard...

...it's so much more convenient.

Knowlesy · 4 Aug 2007, 13:54 (Ref:1980579)

Spritle, that holds little water I'm afraid.

doug911 · 4 Aug 2007, 13:54 (Ref:1980580)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spritle

Does Alonso really RUN the team to the point he has the final say on TEAM strategy?? Do you really thing HE told them to hold up Lewis and they obeyed his command?? So Lewis and Ron are really working for Alonso??

Don't blame Alonso; blame the team...

...the same lillywhite team who couldn't possibly have looked at or used the Ferrari data; the same team that would NEVER use team orders; the same team that is beyond cheating or anything unsportsmanlike.

Ha; I love it!!!!!

Maybe they held up Lewis because they were thumbing through the Ferrari data trying to figure out Kimi's strategy...????

MacLaren credibility just went down another notch with this blatant display of team orders.

But hey, they don't do that; only Ferrari does.

Makes you wonder a bit what else they are capable of??

But hey Mac fans; don't blame the team; blame the Spanard...

...it's so much more convenient.

Which race were you watching?

f1truestory · 4 Aug 2007, 13:54 (Ref:1980581)

What i really interested to know is what causes Alonso to react such a way? Surely there must be some serious **** given by the team (Ron?) otherwise a normal person wont react like that.

Also I dont think his reaction was ment to hurt Hamilton, but to the team..especially Ron.

Hamilton was just an innocent victim in this case.

Tone · 4 Aug 2007, 13:54 (Ref:1980582)

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Originally Posted by 429CJ

I wish, tomorrow, Hairball and Carl Lewis take each other out on the first corner, letting Nick or Kimi for the victory.

Do you know what Carl Lewis looks like?

ensign14 · 4 Aug 2007, 13:56 (Ref:1980585)

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Originally Posted by Tim Wilkinson

Yes, JPM left, but I'm not sure he was better than the replacement options at that time - not convinced it was just personal, rather more for the good of the team.

Which might be the case with Alonso. Hamilton was pretty emphatic in thanking "the team" in the press conference. There may be a few people a little bit annoyed.

And, after all, where's Alonso gonna go? Renault? Ferrari's probably out of the question...whereas Ron will practically have the pick of the grid if he wanted.

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