Brabham BT30

[Ted Walker]

Only the first 8 BT30s had the ally side tanks.

[Andrew Fellowes]

David as Ted says, aluminium and very easy to dent but what lovely craftmanship shaped around the chassis rails like some of the earlier cars.

Andrew

[Ted Walker]

Mike Freemans BT30 is the car now owned by Roger Murray and currently for sale (BT30-12)This car lived in Barbados for a long time.

[David McKinney]

Originally posted by Ted Walker
Mike Freemans BT30 is the car now owned by Roger Murray and currently for sale (BT30-12)This car lived in Barbados for a long time.

Thanks Ted (and Andrew)
I must have read the chassis-plate before I got my new glasses!

[Andrew Fellowes]

BT30-2

Peter Westbury is certain he did not own this chassis but there again he admits he can't recall BT30-23 either at the moment! However he did own 4 Brabhams.

He does have all his records and intends to go through them in due course with his mechanic.

Up date in two months!!

[Bryan Miller]

Michael.

Thank you, no wonder we all tear our hair out trying to sort out what happened to some of these cars.
As Cirrus has advised , not a BT30 or a BT23/C series.
The engine has me thinking, not Cosworth / BMW , inlet on wrong side , what is it , maybe Schnitzer BMW as I believe these altered the head and had inlet and exhaust opposite std. BMW. But it also appears to have strange restrictor type ram tubes.
I wonder what the chassis number is/was.
Is it the same BT15/MAE car updated over the years with diff. body panels, the BT30? photo looks like about 1974 or so , as two tier rear wings had not come in to use on small bore cars till about then.
Fascinating.
Bryan.

[Bryan Miller]

David , thank you .

Ted and all ,

Autosport May 23-1969 , at Wiscombe reports Roger Hickman having to be cut out of his BT29 FVA .
I have Hickman in a BT30 FVA ,on page 1 of this thread , was the BT29 replaced by a BT30 , and the BT29 your missing BT29-20. Time frame is correct .

We have sort of allocated BT30-2 to this , although David McKinney has notes saying BT30-3 , maybe this is the replacement for the BT29 , or is the Autosport article incorrect in calling it a BT29.??

Bryan.

[Ted Walker]

Hickman had BT30-3.29-20 was only delivered new to MRE in SEPT69. It was going to be the 2nd team car with Matchets . Both cars were painted Black.

[barathieu gerar]

gentlemen,

Iam a new member of the forum to day.

As i want to add my touch, there is the knowledge

i can transmit.

As i goes to MONTHLERY coupes de l'age d'or in 1993

i note :BRABHAM BT 36:BT 36/20:Thierry de MORTIER.

BRABHAM BT 30:BT30/20:Michel BAUDOUIN.

BT30/24:Gerard GAMAND.

and more about MARCH 702/01:Jean-Pierre GRAVE.

Salutations.

[Bryan Miller]

barathieu,

Thank you and wellcome to the forum.

Bryan.

[allenbrown]

I've been working through this thread identifying Sprint BT30s.

The ones I can't identify are:

Brabham-Ford/Vegantune TC BT21/30 () - Spencer Elton once in 1973
Brabham-Ford BDA BT30 (1.6) - Peter Bull twice in 1974

Thanks

Allen

[Steve Wilkinson]

A quick check on my database of British Sprint Championship cars has thrown up the following:
In 1973 David Render competed in a 1.6 Brabham-Ford BDA BT30 from 10/06
In 1974 Peter Bull competed in a similar car from 27/05 - could even be the same car!
Finally in 1977 Bob Penzer competed in a 1.6 BT30 (engine unknown) starting on 31/07.

If anyone could help in identifying the chassis numbers it would be appreciated.

[allenbrown]

Welcome Steve - that didn't take you long!

By way of introduction, Steve is the man who put together all the British Sprint results on BritishSprint.org. When he described how he'd gone about it, I knew he'd fit in real well here!

Allen

[Andrew Fellowes]

Originally Posted by allenbrown

When he described how he'd gone about it, I knew he'd fit in real well here!

Allen

There is a fine line between a hobby and insanity, I think I flipped the line a long time ago.

Ok back to the question, I dont have a clue but I can reduced it to 8 likely candidates; 6,8,9,10,12,15,16 or 26.

There, that was a big help wasn't it?

[Bryan Miller]

Wellcome Steve,

Back on page 5 of this thread I summarised the goings on of David Render and his 2 Brabhams , one was the ex BT29x/BT30 hillclimb car and the other a BT35 , both of which could be candidates for your enquiry , however alas we don't seem to have come up with chassis numbers for either as yet.

Also I asked who knew anything about Peter Bull and his car , but that also drew a blank, but that car seemed to be a BT30.

Does everybody realise that this thread now has more pages than Chris's beloved Chevron B29 thread.

Bryan .

[Steve Wilkinson]

The following is a list of Brabham drivers in the aforementioned championship:

1970
Gray & Agness Mickel in the ex-Hawley BT23B
Alan Napier in a BT18

1971 David Fyfe in the BT30X

1972
Gray & Agnes Mickel in BT35-44
Iain McLaren in a BT35X
Ted Dzierzek in a BT21
John Barr in a BT28

1973
Iain McLaren in a BT36 and for the June Doune only a BT30
Gray and Agnes Mickel in BT35-44
Bob Snelson in a BT23C
Murray McGrath in a BT30X
Peter Varley in a BT21C
Bob Leckie in a BT36 with FVC engine

1974
Bob Snelson in a BT35
Jim Campbell in BT35-44

1975/1976/1977
Jim Campbell in BT35-44

1978
Jim Campbell in BT35-44
Olly Ross in a BT21C

1979
Jimmy Johnstone in a BT30
Ron Cumming in a BT??

1985/1986/1987
Peter Speakman in a BT18

1988/1989
Peter Speakman in a BT21C

[Andrew Fellowes]

Steve, interesting indeed. I speculate that Ian McLaren might have been a BT30 all along. They were sometimes confused by reporters.I wonder which chassis number?

Bob Leckie was BT36-8 but I didn't have the FVC bit in my notes, (and this car is very sadly still missing).

[Steve Wilkinson]

ANDREW - the information comes from the reviews of the Scottish Championship. The first volume was done as a retrospective in the late 80s and it may well have lifted details from the programmes and club entry lists - hence the BT30 for McLaren and the FVC in Bob Leckie's BT36.

[Bryan Miller]

Shock and horror I have to delve all the way back to page 8 to retrieve this thread, can't have it die from lack of use.

Over on the other place , it appears as though one of the A.C.A. BT30's has surfaced in the museum , it will either be BT30-18 or BT30-19 , looks very original with correct rear wing and long tail engine cover.

Bryan.

[Andrew Fellowes]

Just had word that the other one is alive & well too, but I'll leave that to James to post.

Bryan its so good to see that these cars have both survived.

Now for the missing BT36's.........

[TM Lee]

With all the talk I have read about with in this thread which car was the true Peter Westbury BT30, has there been any resolution?
I have recently purchased Mike Carmody's BT-30/3, ex Dick James, Ray Delaney, Chris Mann, John Wigfield?, ex Peter Westbury.
The car has undergone a complete restoration including an authentic Felday livery, and is a very fast fun car to drive.
Is there any question this was not Peter Westbury's 69,70 F-2 car?

[Andrew Fellowes]

No I dont think there is any issue with 30-3. Lovely to hear thats its back in original livery. Chris Mann didn't drive it very hard, somewhere I have a photo & I recall it was a darkish blue and was handicapped with ancient hard tyres.

No, more is the problem with 30-2, Austosport lists Westbury in it twice but I guess that this is a typo. However Peter Westbury has promised to look through his records (which are extensive) as he cant remember having BT30-23 either. Aghhh!

Can our resident experts add anything?

[TM Lee]

Thanks Andrew, the car was extensively driven this past summer through out the U.S., that is when the FVA's were running properly.

[Andrew Fellowes]

TM I've sent a pm but I'll see if I can dig out that photo.

[allenbrown]

OK, I'll put a post here to mark the point at which this thread was split out from the giant Brabham 28-29-30-35-36 thread. Much gratitude to John Turner.

Do we now need a summary of the BT30s we understand - and a list of the ones we don't?

Allen