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Old 12 Sep 2016, 13:28 (Ref:3671861)   #46
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I don't think the cost to just participate in LMP1H is that high for a semi-works entry, but the money being spent to win is pretty insane. But a semi-works team isn't eligible for the private teams trophy.
That's true at the current side of things. Gotta say, saving the LMP1-L class is harder than I thought such as attracting IMSA prototype teams to the sub-class after being screwed by ACO over the new LMP2 regulations.

As for awarding private teams, ACO should just give those WEC regulars like Rebellion and some IMSA teams like Extreme Speed Motorsports and Michael Shank Racing. Then again, they'll compete in LMP2 instead as they're okay with it except for GM-backed teams where they'll rather compete at home than in Le Mans.

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Old 6 Oct 2016, 15:20 (Ref:3677839)   #47
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It's dead Jim.

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Old 6 Oct 2016, 15:31 (Ref:3677843)   #48
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Aaaaah, no.
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“The pace of these new LMP2 cars is forecast to be significantly quicker than the current cars and with high levels of competition between the teams and the cars, the challenge is very attractive to Rebellion Racing, we are looking forward to this new adventure.”

Translation: the new LMP2s will be faster than our LMP1.
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Old 6 Oct 2016, 15:55 (Ref:3677854)   #50
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Well the ACO need to rethink again the privateer P1 again. Doubtful it would happen but there's a number of DPIs being built and could feel the gap if the ACO are willing to have them
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Reminded me of this old thread...

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Well the ACO need to rethink again the privateer P1 again. Doubtful it would happen but there's a number of DPIs being built and could feel the gap if the ACO are willing to have them
The current situation just highlight the point that the ACO just doesn’t offer a compelling business case for anything between gentlemen-diver funded P2 and very high tech and very expensive factory LMP-1. Essentially LMP-1P, LMP-1L or whatever the name of the moment is suffers from having too high a price point for too little performance and too small a chance of overall success.

The problem with DPi from the ACO’s perspective is that it wants to limit manufacturer involvement to LMP1 and GTE only and keep them out of LMP2 while DPi is designed to attract manufacturer money. Maybe at some point the ACO will change course, but as you say, that’s probably doubtful anytime soon.
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Aaaaah, no.
I was talking about privateer LMP1. With Rebellion gone, are Kolles really going to continue as a one-car class?
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I was talking about privateer LMP1. With Rebellion gone, are Kolles really going to continue as a one-car class?
If they can find someone to buy one of their cars or put money up to run it. Maybe two different branded CLM's?
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Old 6 Oct 2016, 19:29 (Ref:3677898)   #56
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Well, that news of Rebellion leaving the class puts the LMP1-L in jeopardy. ACO won't care if ByKolles leave too but if either Toyota or any of the Volkswagen brands, they're screwed.
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I was talking about privateer LMP1. With Rebellion gone, are Kolles really going to continue as a one-car class?
Apparently so.
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Old 7 Oct 2016, 00:33 (Ref:3677978)   #58
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They're talking about podium ceremonies and trophies though, which are pretty clearly stated to not exist in a one car class.
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They're talking about podium ceremonies and trophies though, which are pretty clearly stated to not exist in a one car class.
They did last year when CLM was running by themselves for the start. And in GT1 when Larbre run alone for half of the season in 2010.

Of course, having needless ceremony for one car is just as lame as it is (was) for 2-3 cars.

Anyway, now I also can/have to declare all of this to be hopeless. LMP1 is 100% factory category now. Followed by two dumbed down spec pro-am privateer prototype classes below, followed by BoP-GTs. CLM will be the Deltawing.
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With this, I wonder if the ACO will even bother implementing their proposed attempt to BOP LMP1 factory vs LMP1 privateer with only one car confirmed for LMP1 privateer? The measures proposed were a 65mm vs 50mm lip in the splitter section of the front diffuser, and a 150mm vs 200mm rear diffuser exit.

I wonder if the ACO will bother now, or even ever, since there's new rules coming in for 2018.
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