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Old 9 Sep 2016, 09:35 (Ref:3671207)   #1
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ACO silence on 2017 LMP1-L Regs?

After the flurry of announcements both at Le Mans and post the race, regarding what has been proposed for the LMP1-L class for 2017 onwards, there has since been deafening silence from the ACO!

Curious to know if anyone out there has heard anything new?

It would be wonderful to have a few more running in this class, other than a single Rebeliion now and Kolles.
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Old 9 Sep 2016, 10:35 (Ref:3671217)   #2
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They don't have any idea what to do with it. No one seems to have.
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Old 9 Sep 2016, 14:31 (Ref:3671243)   #3
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They don't have any idea what to do with it. No one seems to have.


Dare i say it, "Tell me news, not history!"

I would perhaps say, that beginning to have an idea what to do with the class, could be a good start.
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Old 9 Sep 2016, 15:27 (Ref:3671253)   #4
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http://www.endurance-info.com/fr/ei-...-lm-p1-privee/
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Old 9 Sep 2016, 16:33 (Ref:3671261)   #5
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We've been assured by Various Online Experts that P1-L is just fine and by 2018 will have more entrants than P2 because all of these teams really want the technical freedom afforded them, even if it means spending eleventy billion euros to only get on TV when you're on fire.

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Old 9 Sep 2016, 16:55 (Ref:3671267)   #6
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Would it be better if ACO let DPi teams race in LMP1-L class after snubbing them in LMP2?

Technical freedom might be needed, but also major manufacturers who can't afford to make a hybrid system and beat the likes of Volkswagen Group and Toyota.
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Old 9 Sep 2016, 17:19 (Ref:3671269)   #7
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Would it be better if ACO let DPi teams race in LMP1-L class after snubbing them in LMP2?

Technical freedom might be needed, but also major manufacturers who can't afford to make a hybrid system and beat the likes of Volkswagen Group and Toyota.
Yes, I like the idea of DPI with Technical freedom in LMP1-L
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Old 9 Sep 2016, 17:52 (Ref:3671273)   #8
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Would it be better if ACO let DPi teams race in LMP1-L class after snubbing them in LMP2?
No.
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Old 9 Sep 2016, 18:07 (Ref:3671276)   #9
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Would it be better if ACO let DPi teams race in LMP1-L class after snubbing them in LMP2?

Technical freedom might be needed, but also major manufacturers who can't afford to make a hybrid system and beat the likes of Volkswagen Group and Toyota.
I think so. It seems a disservice to the teams that subscribe to ACO privateer class in WEC and ELMS. Also this nonsense that they can not BoP them because they are too disparate is hogwash! They balanced disparate cars in prototype for years! They just do not want to put in the work to do it. As for the 'werks' element, NO direct Werks team could be easily policed and the cars are HOMOLOGATED so there is no 'tinkering' advantage to be had, per se.






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So ACO should be willing to accommodate LMP2-"DPi"s into LMP1 Nonhybrid, yet IMSA wouldn't have to give LMP1 Nonhybrids opportunity to race within their own LMP2-"DPi"... yeah sounds totally fair tradeoff
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So ACO should be willing to accommodate LMP2-"DPi"s into LMP1 Nonhybrid, yet IMSA wouldn't have to give LMP1 Nonhybrids opportunity to race within their own LMP2-"DPi"... yeah sounds totally fair tradeoff
No trade off! IMSA does not have a P-1 class, it's top 'P' class is aligned with P-2.
The ACO are struggling to provide incentive enough for privateers to subscribe to P-1l (mainly cost), as the new P-2 are compliant to their new regs it would behoove the ACO IMO to adopt the DPi formula concept to populate their P-1l class. I do not believe it needs be an exact duplication of IMSA's, but, it would better suit the ACO's customers if it were to be compatible with it. Either an uptick for the IMSA DPis to compete at Le Mans or a slight de-tune for P-1l to race in IMSA rounds. Fairly simple and certainly doable if the ACO wish to, but we all know how that goes....

And yes, we ALL know you loathe the idea.








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ACO wants manufacturers to fund proper P1 efforts and push the boundaries of technology. Not buy an old Lola and tape an engine in the back and call it a Mazda. THAT is why DPi won't fit in LMP1-L. They want to see an actual Audi and not a P2 car with a GT engine and some stickers.
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ACO wants manufacturers to fund proper P1 efforts and push the boundaries of technology. Not buy an old Lola and tape an engine in the back and call it a Mazda. THAT is why DPi won't fit in LMP1-L. They want to see an actual Audi and not a P2 car with a GT engine and some stickers.
Lmp1 'L' is NOT for manufacturer teams but privateer teams. Running a Riley chassis with a Mazda engine in the back is no different than Rebellion or Kolles using the Nissan engine from the GTR LMP. IMSA should align with private lmp1 regs and just let them use the lmp2 chassis' but run the aero rules of p1 L.
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ACO wants manufacturers to fund proper P1 efforts and push the boundaries of technology. Not buy an old Lola and tape an engine in the back and call it a Mazda. THAT is why DPi won't fit in LMP1-L. They want to see an actual Audi and not a P2 car with a GT engine and some stickers.
And since when has a WERKS team ran in P-1L? That is what P-1L (no ERS) is for, PRIVATEERS!

"LE MANS" PROTOTYPE 1 category includes:

  • "LE MANS" PROTOTYPE 1 Hybrid: with Energy Recovery System (ERS).
  • "LE MANS" PROTOTYPE 1 : with no Energy Recovery System (ERS) reserved only for privateers.
The LMP1 Private Teams category is reserved exclusively for independent private teams. A team that is independent of a manufacturer means a team that does not benefit from any support from a manufacturer other than for the single supply of engines, services relating to these engines or commercial support. Any support from a manufacturer relating to the chassis or to chassis systems is prohibited. It is understood that traction control is considered as a chassis system.

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Or are the 4 IMSA/ACO/FIA constructors considered manufacturers in your book? IMSA's OEM (manufacturer) body work must be sold through their constructor partner.

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Remember the whole nonsense over Honda and friends refusing to use generic engine management? They are definitely running their own traction control. Plus you know, the whole funding teams thing.
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