WEC WEC 2021 season - Page 20

canaglia · 12 May 2021, 20:11 (Ref:4051313)

Quote:

Originally Posted by tux

What if they just drove really fast until the end of the race and somebody wins?

things in WEC are not that simple

**Adam43** · 12 May 2021, 20:13 (Ref:4051314)

Quote:

Originally Posted by tux

What if they just drove really fast until the end of the race and somebody wins?

Option A. Is that teams want to win.

Option B. Is that teams do not want to win. We can not know what the situation Toyota is in until Glickenhaus enter their 007.

**Adam43** · 12 May 2021, 20:22 (Ref:4051315)

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Originally Posted by canaglia

Infact I never wrote or intended toyota has a smaller tank, it's just the opposite considering no lmp1-like car before had stints about 1h long.
If you didn't get yet, I have doubts about the impact of that MJ value on car performances and stint lenght, given precisely mainly by the fuel tank size than else IMHO.
The toyota-007 comparison I'm waiting for portimao is all that matters to clear doubts about this. Unless others will be added...

In which case you have lost me.

I’m happy to stay lost!

**chunterer** · 12 May 2021, 22:29 (Ref:4051346)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam43

Option A. Is that teams want to win.

Option B. Is that teams do not want to win. We can not know what the situation Toyota is in until Glickenhaus enter their 007.

I suspect we do re Toyota v Glick'

broadrun96 · 12 May 2021, 22:41 (Ref:4051350)

Dear god, are we arguing math without having any actual details to even attempt to calculate anything? And then arguing who's guesses are best? Even for the internet this seems like a pointless argument and waste of electrons on their busy voyage through the world

**Adam43** · 12 May 2021, 22:53 (Ref:4051355)

Pretty much.

52 minutes. 1 hour. 90l. 110l. 964MJ. 34.2MJ/l. 35%. 600hp. 700hp. 8000rpm. 7000rpm. The numbers don’t add up! It’s B!

I just wanted to assume that Toyota had built a suitable car for the regulations.

Still it was kind of fun.

canaglia · 13 May 2021, 07:01 (Ref:4051378)

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Originally Posted by Adam43

Pretty much.

52 minutes. 1 hour. 90l. 110l. 964MJ. 34.2MJ/l. 35%. 600hp. 700hp. 8000rpm. 7000rpm. The numbers don’t add up! It’s B!

I just wanted to assume that Toyota had built a suitable car for the regulations.

Still it was kind of fun.

I see, glad you enjoyed, guess next times I'll avoid to have too technical arguments with you

**Adam43** · 13 May 2021, 11:23 (Ref:4051447)

Mike E · 18 May 2021, 12:05 (Ref:4052160)

33 car entered for Portimao

4 Hypercar
11 LMP2
4 GTE Pro
14 GTE Am

https://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/...o-at-portimao/

**joeb** · 18 May 2021, 19:52 (Ref:4052197)

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Originally Posted by Mike E

33 car entered for Portimao

4 Hypercar
11 LMP2
4 GTE Pro
14 GTE Am

https://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/...o-at-portimao/

I'm really excited to see how this race plays out with the additional hypercar. Although the timing of the race is going to make me with long for Le Mans of past seasons!

Mike E · 19 May 2021, 10:08 (Ref:4052244)

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Originally Posted by joeb

I'm really excited to see how this race plays out with the additional hypercar. Although the timing of the race is going to make me with long for Le Mans of past seasons!

Me too. The balance was pretty good overall between the Toyota and Alpine at Spa. Hopefully the Glickenhaus slots into that window too. And the fuel tank size situation could result in lots of strategy overlap through the race.

Mike E · 1 Jun 2021, 17:46 (Ref:4054257)

38 cars entered for round 3 at Monza.

5 Hypercar (second Glickenhaus added)
12 LMP2 (Risi Oreca added)
4 GTE Pro
17 GTE Am (4 Ferraris added)

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2021/0...-of-monza.html

**Adam43** · 2 Jun 2021, 01:19 (Ref:4054299)

Woo!

**joeb** · 5 Jun 2021, 15:29 (Ref:4054713)

Toyota will lose performance for the next round. I'm sure this will make everyone happy.

https://www.motorsport.com/wec/news/...timao/6536643/

Pandamasque · 5 Jun 2021, 16:22 (Ref:4054721)

The weight increase will surely be a popular move

**Adam43** · 5 Jun 2021, 16:55 (Ref:4054726)

So slightly less power, more weight and less energy per stint.
Similar for Alpine, although the energy change is so small it won’t bring it down to their fuel tank size so that bit probably doesn’t matter for them.

TF110 · 5 Jun 2021, 20:54 (Ref:4054765)

Not understanding the negative bop hit for Alpine, honestly.

canaglia · 5 Jun 2021, 21:51 (Ref:4054770)

Unless FIA and ACO had data about 007 performances after the endurance test, I don't understand why they gave extra 26kg to toyotas, considering GR010 should already be close to 1200kg in race trim considering driver min. 80kg and fuel, oil etc.
Toyota #8 won spa race with a reasonable 67s gap from alpine, with most of that time given mainly by alpine extra pit stop (even if alpine had shorter refuels though).

**Adam43** · 6 Jun 2021, 00:29 (Ref:4054782)

Comparison of the three LMH cars.
http://fiawec.alkamelsystems.com/Res...T_02062021.pdf

GR010	007 LMH	R13
1066kg	1030kg	952kg
962MJ	965MJ	918MJ
515kW	520kW	451kW

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Originally Posted by TF110

Not understanding the negative bop hit for Alpine, honestly.

They were pretty evenly matched at Spa so it makes sense whatever adjustment is made happens to both.

**joeb** · 7 Jun 2021, 15:50 (Ref:4055161)

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Originally Posted by Adam43

Comparison of the three LMH cars.
http://fiawec.alkamelsystems.com/Res...T_02062021.pdf

GR010	007 LMH	R13
1066kg	1030kg	952kg
962MJ	965MJ	918MJ
515kW	520kW	451kW

They were pretty evenly matched at Spa so it makes sense whatever adjustment is made happens to both.

but if they were evenly matched already, why change things!

**Adam43** · 7 Jun 2021, 16:19 (Ref:4055178)

I presume to bring them closer to the data they have on the 007?

??????????

**joeb** · 7 Jun 2021, 19:35 (Ref:4055221)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam43

I presume to bring them closer to the data they have on the 007?

??????????

That could be, and I guess we only have another week until we find out!

**Adam43** · 8 Jun 2021, 00:34 (Ref:4055239)

Ferrari333SP · 8 Jun 2021, 04:47 (Ref:4055247)

I am sooo looking forward to LeMans this year; the two Glickenhaus cars will really open the race up. And it's only going to get better the next several years

greenmachinets040 · 16 Jun 2021, 06:09 (Ref:4056636)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam43

Comparison of the three LMH cars.
http://fiawec.alkamelsystems.com/Res...T_02062021.pdf

GR010	007 LMH	R13
1066kg	1030kg	952kg
962MJ	965MJ	918MJ
515kW	520kW	451kW

They were pretty evenly matched at Spa so it makes sense whatever adjustment is made happens to both.

I like the way you named the Alpine car in your chart

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