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2 Jul 2019, 05:13 (Ref:3915451) | #7076 | ||
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Speaking of McLaren everything they said in that DSC article sounds like their IndyCar "program" so I'm pretty much just going to ignore them outright. Amazing how they turned into early 2010s Lotus so fast. |
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2 Jul 2019, 12:08 (Ref:3915479) | #7078 | ||
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wrong, road and rancing MC12 share same carbon monocoque of Ferrari Enzo, it had a different bodywork that made the car longer and wider for a better racing purpose. V12 6L F140 is the same from Ferrari Enzo of course. It was purposely built for GT1 since only 50 road cars have been produced, just to get the min. units homologation. And "work" is the correct term because in old FIA GT1 work/official teams weren't allowed, but even if vitaphone racing (former konrad racing if am I not wrong) was entered as private entry, it was considerably backed by Ferrari during the years. Just think that during FIA GT 2009 vitaphone was the only team to field 3 cars (with 2 ferrari work drivers) while others barely could handle one car BTW don't think Ferrari wasn't/isn't happy about MC12 since is one of their recent most winning racing car |
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2 Jul 2019, 12:12 (Ref:3915480) | #7079 | |
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well... lamborghini has just 3 engines in their line up 6.5L V12 audi-lamborghini 5.2L V10 audi-bentley-lamborghini 4L V8 twin tubro of bentley GT3 6.5L V12 guess is too much and isn't even that reliable in street aventadors.... 4L V8 twin turbo or the bulletproof 5.2L V10 from R8/huracan gt3 unrestricted and pushed to >9000rpm |
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2 Jul 2019, 16:59 (Ref:3915521) | #7080 | |
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I'd go for the V12 with a 100-150hp hybrid up front. The V12 will have more torque and produce more power and won't run as hard when it's limited to 600/650hp in race trim. The GT1 Murcielago ran the V12 to decent success and that engine has come a long way since then.
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2 Jul 2019, 17:23 (Ref:3915527) | #7082 | |
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Right, that's part of my point. If the original engine was good enough for racing the 'new' one should be as well. And it's more powerful and lighter etc. Weight doesn't seem to be an issue anyway thanks to the regulations. And then you have Aston Martin running their Valkyrie's V12.
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2 Jul 2019, 20:32 (Ref:3915548) | #7083 | |
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In the Sportcar365 article Lamborghini motorsport boss Giorgio Sanna makes it clear that the factory wants a customer program--which would involve building multiple cars and spares---which might be a bit much for a brand-new car in the Hypercar class. One would imagine that Lambo would want more than one team using their chassis ... not sure how many top-rank private teams would be looking to spend $30-$40 million to race in Hypercar. One would think DPi-2.0 would be a sixth of that or something.
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2 Jul 2019, 22:09 (Ref:3915571) | #7084 | |||
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The MC12 is a Maserati, not a ferrari. |
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2 Jul 2019, 22:15 (Ref:3915573) | #7085 | ||
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This is much better reading. Audi Sport boss said GTE plus was the way ... https://www.topgear.com/car-news/mot...hypercar-class |
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3 Jul 2019, 08:43 (Ref:3915622) | #7086 | ||
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What would GTE plus have looked like though?
I suspect either not enough of a difference to current GTE cars, or a massive evolution that would have probably led to a late 90s GT1 demise through the homologation of purposely designed exploitations of the rules. Haven't Ford already said the GT could go much quicker in an evolved state? I can't see how something like the R8 could be brought up to par without having things like the GTs aero designed into it from the start. Apart from that, do we really want to see a GT based top class at Le Mans? |
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3 Jul 2019, 12:09 (Ref:3915669) | #7087 | ||
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dude... think it as you wish MC12 was so ferrari unrelated as you say that even michael schumacher helped for testing and development At that time ferrari was maserati's majority shareholder. The MC12 GT1 progam (and then street and MC12 corsa) was a ferrari initiative. |
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4 Jul 2019, 03:26 (Ref:3915794) | #7088 | ||
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They could call up their countrymen Dallara, who did Audi's lmp's for years, for help. Or Ligier, or Oreca etc. There's constructors waiting to be involved with a manufacturer. And wit bop it doesn't seem like you need to worry about making the fastest most technically advanced car in the field. Just something quick enough to do a 3:20-3:30 and you'll get boosted up to the leader of the pack (as bad as that sounds). |
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4 Jul 2019, 05:01 (Ref:3915801) | #7089 | |||
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4 Jul 2019, 05:15 (Ref:3915802) | #7090 | |||
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SMP currently race the BR01 built by Dallara, race Ferraris 488 join AF Corse in the WEC and Blacpain too and they will need a new car for the Hypercar rules. Also I remember that the 333SP and the F50 GT were built by Dallara in those days. |
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4 Jul 2019, 16:43 (Ref:3915880) | #7092 | ||
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4 Jul 2019, 17:26 (Ref:3915889) | #7093 | ||
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The article talks about the 2 projects, the R8 GT1 and the G-TT GT2. The R8 GT1 was modified later in the R8C. you should read it.
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4 Jul 2019, 18:27 (Ref:3915901) | #7095 | ||
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4 Jul 2019, 18:34 (Ref:3915903) | #7096 | |
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Still down for me, but given that Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp, Apple, Microsoft and AWS have all been down today, it's safe to say that it's probably related to that and I have a CDN that hasn't updated yet.
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4 Jul 2019, 19:35 (Ref:3915911) | #7098 | |
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5 Jul 2019, 01:21 (Ref:3915946) | #7099 | |
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Such cool cars that could have continued racing but then lmp took over. Maybe this generation will have the same thing and we can drop bop and such when it (hopefully) gets more popular.
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29 Jul 2019, 11:52 (Ref:3920220) | #7100 | ||
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I hadn't considered the possibility that Hypercar could kill the LMP2 tyre war. Kinda makes sense if you are trying to control the performance of your second string prototypes relative to your new, slower top class. Hope it doesn't happen.
"Victory in that tender process could pave the way for an exclusivity deal in LMP2 too. The ACO and FIA will look to level off the performance curve that open-tyre competition creates to prevent LMP2s from making strides. Any further gains in the coming seasons will only complicate the matter of separating the current crop of Gibson-powered prototypes and the ‘Hypercar Prototypes’, which are due to be significantly slower than the current LMP1s." http://www.dailysportscar.com/2019/0...-goodyear.html |
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