BTCC BTCC 2020 season discussion, News and Rumours! - Page 41

Sodemo · 13 Nov 2019, 09:37 (Ref:3940338)

TOCA Engine likely for Excelr8?

jsmee · 13 Nov 2019, 09:40 (Ref:3940339)

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Originally Posted by billy bleach

Nice to see a new manufacturer when most series are losing them

This is an independent entry.

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Johno.UK · 13 Nov 2019, 10:00 (Ref:3940342)

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Originally Posted by billy bleach

Nice to see a new manufacturer when most series are losing them

Seems to be a similar deal to that with the Alfa in that it's the UK dealer network that is involved rather than the manufacture.

billy bleach · 13 Nov 2019, 10:21 (Ref:3940345)

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Originally Posted by jsmee

This is an independent entry.

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Oh dear....... As far as I know Hyundai is a Manufacturer that makes amongst other things
Cars,and as far as I can see a team has entered a Hyundai for the first time in the BTCc in the current era. I didnt say Manufacturer Team in my post? Why do we have to endure silly sm4rt ar$e$ with nothing to contribute?......

jsmee · 13 Nov 2019, 10:23 (Ref:3940346)

Quote:

Originally Posted by billy bleach

Oh dear....... As far as I know Hyundai is a Manufacturer that makes amongst other things

Cars,and as far as I can see a team has entered a Hyundai for the first time in the BTCc in the current era. I didnt say Manufacturer Team in my post? Why do we have to endure silly sm4rt ar$e$ with nothing to contribute?......

Wow, bit of an overreaction...

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jsmee · 13 Nov 2019, 10:36 (Ref:3940348)

Presumably now this confirms also the departure of the MG6? One of the oldest NGTC cars and most successful. Still good looking!

It's a shame the new shape MG6 (Butcher raced the TCR version the other week) is not on sale in the UK, its a real looker...

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rdjones · 13 Nov 2019, 10:40 (Ref:3940349)

Hyundai well I didn't see that one coming. Nice to see a new name on the grid.

crmalcolm · 13 Nov 2019, 10:52 (Ref:3940351)

Quote:

Originally Posted by billy bleach

Nice to see a new manufacturer when most series are losing them

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsmee

This is an independent entry.

Quote:

Originally Posted by billy bleach

Oh dear....... As far as I know Hyundai is a Manufacturer that makes amongst other things
Cars

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsmee

Wow, bit of an overreaction...

I'll just leave the words of Alan Gow here, then hopefully we can move on?

'It’s fantastic to see another new marque join the BTCC'

crmalcolm · 13 Nov 2019, 10:55 (Ref:3940352)

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Originally Posted by jsmee

[MG6] One of the oldest NGTC cars and most successful. Still good looking!

[...]new shape MG6 [...] its a real looker...

Each to their own I suppose, but I can't say that I've been impressed with the looks of the old or new MG6 I'm afraid...

billy bleach · 13 Nov 2019, 11:03 (Ref:3940353)

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Originally Posted by crmalcolm

I'll just leave the words of Alan Gow here, then hopefully we can move on?

'It’s fantastic to see another new marque join the BTCC'

Enough said!

jsmee · 13 Nov 2019, 11:05 (Ref:3940354)

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Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Each to their own I suppose, but I can't say that I've been impressed with the looks of the old or new MG6 I'm afraid...

Fair enough!

Must admit the old one only looked its best in the hands of Excelr8, the liveries suited them well.

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Sodemo · 13 Nov 2019, 11:06 (Ref:3940355)

I dont imagine any of the cars on the BTCC grid are totally paid for by the manufacturers. It looks like even Honda have dialed down their Team Dynamics involvement from what I have heard / seen in recent years. Virtually every "works" car is plastered with 3rd party sponsors, apart from BMW.

Johno.UK · 13 Nov 2019, 11:16 (Ref:3940358)

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Originally Posted by Sodemo

I dont imagine any of the cars on the BTCC grid are totally paid for by the manufacturers. It looks like even Honda have dialed down their Team Dynamics involvement from what I have heard / seen in recent years. Virtually every "works" car is plastered with 3rd party sponsors, apart from BMW.

I think it's more of a case if the entry is a manufacturer entry or an independent entry. Whether they have 3rd party sponsors or not doesn't really matter.

Northern Monkey · 13 Nov 2019, 11:26 (Ref:3940359)

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Originally Posted by crmalcolm

One thing I notice on the car is that the sills are wider than the arches.
I have not noticed this on NGTC builds previously, and this has resulted in some criticism that the arch 'extensions' are too excessive for aesthetic purposes.

Have Excelr8 identified a way to run with narrower arches, and still meet the NGTC minimum width criteria of 1875mm?

I know they have been keen in the past to highlight their expertise in front end cooling methods, so have they come up with something there?

Or is it just a case of the cars not being built yet, so eventually it will look a bit different to the rendered images?

As per your last comment - I'd wait and see when the actual cars come out as renders are always subject to change once a real car is built

mark_l · 13 Nov 2019, 12:50 (Ref:3940367)

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Originally Posted by Johno.UK

I think it's more of a case if the entry is a manufacturer entry or an independent entry. Whether they have 3rd party sponsors or not doesn't really matter.

I am sure if the entry is a manufacturer or independent that they would be happy to have the costs reduced by the addition of suitable 3rd party sponsors.

Looking at the media images for the new Hyundai there is very little Hyundai sponsorship on the car which suggests it is more of a independent entry than a true manufacturer attempt.

The press release says there is support of key players in the UK Dealer Network, so the chance to put a show car in the nearest dealership to the next round of the championship.

While it is good to see Hyundai entering the championship I don't expect them to be winning races in 2020 unless they are the reverse grid rounds.

touring fan01 · 13 Nov 2019, 13:03 (Ref:3940368)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sodemo

I dont imagine any of the cars on the BTCC grid are totally paid for by the manufacturers. It looks like even Honda have dialed down their Team Dynamics involvement from what I have heard / seen in recent years. Virtually every "works" car is plastered with 3rd party sponsors, apart from BMW.

huh?
name a “works” team in any championship that doesnt have any third party sponsors?

crmalcolm · 13 Nov 2019, 13:05 (Ref:3940370)

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Originally Posted by mark_l

Looking at the media images for the new Hyundai there is very little Hyundai sponsorship on the car which suggests it is more of a independent entry than a true manufacturer attempt.

The press release says there is support of key players in the UK Dealer Network, so the chance to put a show car in the nearest dealership to the next round of the championship.

In August, Excelr8 announced that Draper Tools would be their title sponsor for 2020. I would imagine the level of exposure on the car was agreed with Draper Tools back then.

In September Excelr8 announced that they were looking at other marques (in lieu of Mini).

So the timelines suggest that Draper Tools were onboard before the manufacturer of the car was decided, hardly surprising then that the title sponsor has more prominent advertising than the manufacturer.

Gow also confirms that 'the cars [are] being built independently and without full manufacturer support'

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Originally Posted by Sodemo

Virtually every "works" car is plastered with 3rd party sponsors, apart from BMW.

And whilst we're on the subject of sponsorship on a 'manufacturer' entry. Let's not forget that the biggest advertising space on the BMW entry is given to:
GardX - an independent company owned by the Coutin family and based in Hampshire.
Allianz Global Assurance - an insurance firm from Croydon.

B0U170NS · 13 Nov 2019, 13:38 (Ref:3940379)

Quote:

Originally Posted by billy bleach

Oh dear....... As far as I know Hyundai is a Manufacturer that makes amongst other things
Cars,and as far as I can see a team has entered a Hyundai for the first time in the BTCc in the current era. I didnt say Manufacturer Team in my post? Why do we have to endure silly sm4rt ar$e$ with nothing to contribute?......

This is exactly why this forum is slowly going down hill. Because some people on here are out for themselves and seem to pick apart every single word.

I agree with Mr jsmee, it looks absolutely stunning in those colours and sponsors. But this isn't a surprise as the MGs looked great this year

Alfisti · 13 Nov 2019, 13:39 (Ref:3940380)

Good to see and I wish them well. Probably take a good chunk of time to get up to speed... however I thought that would be the case with the new 3 series. Watch this space!

Lola · 13 Nov 2019, 13:42 (Ref:3940382)

Many sponsorship deals are done by way of introduction, for example Yuasa supply Honda production etc. Castrol may also be the approved supplier to Honda in the UK?
You grease my palms with sponsorship and I get you in at the big manufacturer.

Sodemo · 13 Nov 2019, 13:52 (Ref:3940384)

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Originally Posted by touring fan01

huh?
name a “works” team in any championship that doesn't have any third party sponsors?

That's a fair point, virtually all works cars do have 3rd party sponsors, however in the past any true works entry will have the name of the manufacturer on the car *somewhere* as part of the livery. Usually the more financial backing = a more prominent place on the car.

S griffin · 13 Nov 2019, 14:08 (Ref:3940386)

It’s only an independent entry, but it’s nice to see the Hyundai make in the championship, car variety has always been a part of the BTCC.

porsche962fan · 13 Nov 2019, 14:15 (Ref:3940390)

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Originally Posted by S griffin

, car variety has always been a part of the BTCC.

oh really ? anyone remember the RS 500 cup

mark_l · 13 Nov 2019, 14:33 (Ref:3940391)

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Originally Posted by porsche962fan

oh really ? anyone remember the RS 500 cup

You have to admit the BTCC has been in danger of becoming a Honda Civic one make championship so the addition of new marques has to be applauded.

porsche962fan · 13 Nov 2019, 14:35 (Ref:3940393)

the big difference is the RS 500 was so much fun to watch all by themselves, overpowered with little grip and drivers fighting to keep it on the track

modern cars by comparison are so boring

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