BTCC BTCC 2020 season discussion, News and Rumours! - Page 54

Pickles · 26 Nov 2019, 20:08 (Ref:3943049)

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Originally Posted by Matt K

Shedden?

Apparently so

crmalcolm · 26 Nov 2019, 20:10 (Ref:3943050)

So the first of the marked words have now proven to be true

Bringing the total confirmed entries to 12 (10 drivers), which means we already have more than a third of the grid in place for 2020...

Team	Car	Driver	Notes

Confirmed Entries
Excelr8	Hyundai i30	Smith ?	Confirmed in press release - want to retain driver lineup
Excelr8	Hyundai i30	Osborne ?	Confirmed in press release - want to retain driver lineup
Team Dynamics	Honda Civic	Cammish	2yr contract confirmed in press release
Team Dynamics	Honda Civic	Neal	Confirmed as driver pairing in press release
WSR	BMW 330i	Oliphant	Reported as continuing next year with the team
Power Maxed	Vauxhall ?	Plato	Talked about engine / chassis developments for 2020 in interview
Speedworks	Toyota Corolla	Ingram	Confirmed Ginsters backing for 2020 in article
Laser Tools/BMR	Infiniti Q50	Moffat	Confirmed in press release
Laser Tools/BMR	Infiniti Q50	Sutton	Confirmed in press release
Ciceley Motorsport	MB A-Class ?	Rowbottom	Confirmed entry in Facebook post
Ciceley Motorsport	MB A-Class ?	Morgan	Brands Hatch summary confirms 2020 return
HARD	VW CC	Goff	On BTCC.net (and others)

Likely Entries
???	???	???	Former HMS TBL
WSR	BMW 330i	???	???
Power Maxed	Vauxhall ?	???	???
Motorbase	Ford Focus	???	???
Motorbase	Ford Focus	???	???
BTC Racing	Honda Civic	Smiley ?	New cars for 2019
BTC Racing	Honda Civic	???	New cars for 2019
HARD	VW CC	Thompson	Claims to have exciting 2020 news on social media soon
HARD	VW CC	Coates	Gilham #tagging?
HARD	VW CC	???	???

Possible Entries
AmD	Honda Civic	???	???
AmD	Honda Civic	???	???
TradePrice(Amd)	???	???	???
TradePrice(Amd)	???	???	???
Team Parker	BMW ?	???	???
Motorbase	Ford Focus	???	TBL on loan for 2019
???	MB A-Class	???	TBL+Car on sale from Laser Tools
???	Jag ?	Crees	Rumoured by Crees in a Facebook interview
WSR	BMW 330i	Jordan	Lost Pirtek sponsorship, says he wants to stay in the BTCC, but only with WSR
Maximum Motorsport	???	???	Lines evaluated a PMR car, and wants to run a young driver in BTCC
???	???	Chilton	Has been critical of the Focus in the press
???	???	Edwards	Has stated that she no longer drives in Clio Cup. Website is worded to suggest she is on the grid for 2020

Entries with doubt
???	???	Shedden	Speculation about wanting a return
???	???	M.Jackson	Linked to half of the teams on the grid
???	???	Blundell	Stated that he is undecided about a 2020 return
???	Subaru Levorg	???	Car not viable as NGTC entry
???	Subaru Levorg	???	Car not viable as NGTC entry
Simpson Racing	Honda Civic	Simpson	Rumoured to have vocalised a withdrawal
???	MG6	???	Excelr8 switched to Hyundai
???	MG6	???	Excelr8 switched to Hyundai

Words Marked
???	???	Jordan	touring fan01
???	???	Chilton	touring fan01, Alfisti
???	???	Files	TR4racer
???	Honda Civic	Boardley	Pickles
Not HARD	Not Honda Civic	Boardley	Pickles
Simpson TBL	Honda Civic	Not Simpson	Pickles
???	BMW 330i	Collard	Alfisti
BTC	Honda Civic	Chilton	billy bleach
Motorbase	3rd Car	???	Jiiiiiiim
PMR	3rd Car	???	Pickles
Trade Price	Audi S3 x2	???	Overboost
AmD	Honda Civic x2	New Drivers	Overboost
BTC	???	Chilton	Overboost
BTC	???	Cook	Overboost
PMR	???	Smiley	Pickles
Motorbase	???	Butcher	Pickles
HARD	???	Boardley	sceptic
HARD	???	Crees	sceptic
???	???	Shedden	Pickles

True Words Spoken
???	???	Sutton	touring fan01

False Words Spoken

aland · 26 Nov 2019, 20:13 (Ref:3943052)

lets just say this, warren wont take the **** out of the moffats, if he does then he might be going for a wee walk in the pentland hills... bob is a lovely guy, total gent but i would not cross him or his

Evantra · 26 Nov 2019, 20:20 (Ref:3943055)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt K

Shedden?

Guess it wouldn't be at Dynamics though.

crmalcolm · 26 Nov 2019, 20:20 (Ref:3943056)

When 888 fell under the BMR umbrella, the 888 identity died (IMO).

The same will now be true of BMR I feel. BMR is just a placeholder for the TBL ownership at the moment it seems, and a relatively easy transfer of assets connected to running a second car, as opposed to really being a joint venture it feels.

Scott's hand is made up of one great driver and two TBL's.
Moffat's hand is made up of one pretty decent driver, three cars, one TBL and a sponsorship deal in place.

By the time we get to Silverstone, I expect the BMR name to be pretty much none existent, except for using the workshop(s) as a destination for the cars between rounds until June/July.

Pickles · 26 Nov 2019, 20:26 (Ref:3943058)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evantra

Guess it wouldn't be at Dynamics though.

Allegedly in a team with his brother in law 🤔

Pickles · 26 Nov 2019, 20:27 (Ref:3943059)

Quote:

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

When 888 fell under the BMR umbrella, the 888 identity died (IMO).

The same will now be true of BMR I feel. BMR is just a placeholder for the TBL ownership at the moment it seems, and a relatively easy transfer of assets connected to running a second car, as opposed to really being a joint venture it feels.

Scott's hand is made up of one great driver and two TBL's.
Moffat's hand is made up of one pretty decent driver, three cars, one TBL and a sponsorship deal in place.

By the time we get to Silverstone, I expect the BMR name to be pretty much none existent, except for using the workshop(s) as a destination for the cars between rounds until June/July.

The TBL ownership list is due to be published soon isn't it?

Jiiiiiiim · 26 Nov 2019, 20:35 (Ref:3943060)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pickles

Allegedly in a team with his brother in law 🤔

Motorbase? Now that would be a top line-up and they’d have no excuse for poor showings!

thlbtcc · 26 Nov 2019, 21:15 (Ref:3943063)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pickles

In other news, apparently a past champion will be returning to the grid next year.

Audi WTCR is practically dead, so makes sense for Shedden to try and make a return here.

Maybe Audis will be on the WTCR grid in 2020, but looks like without Audi Sport wages. They already cut any testing budget for 2019 and will not build a new TCR car.

peebee2 · 26 Nov 2019, 21:16 (Ref:3943064)

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Originally Posted by Pickles

Noticed that, interesting... Wonder if the existing cars will find a new home?

Once they’ve built “new” cars with new shells, I doubt there will be much left of the old cars tbh.

S griffin · 26 Nov 2019, 21:21 (Ref:3943066)

I guess the current Inifiniti he used is a few seasons old, so makes sense to build newer ones

Evantra · 26 Nov 2019, 21:27 (Ref:3943070)

Quote:

Originally Posted by S griffin

I guess the current Inifiniti he used is a few seasons old, so makes sense to build newer ones

Each only has a single season's worth of running racked up compared to 6 or 7 on some of the Hondas so I doubt it's because of age. I think they are wanting to incoporate some of the changes they made directly into the chasis of the new cars rather than working around an older design chasis (the TCT article explains it much better than I can!

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Craner Curves · 26 Nov 2019, 21:40 (Ref:3943071)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evantra

Each only has a single season's worth of running racked up compared to 6 or 7 on some of the Hondas so I doubt it's because of age. I think they are wanting to incoporate some of the changes they made directly into the chasis of the new cars rather than working around an older design chasis (the TCT article explains it much better than I can!

)

I think it will be easier to strip weight from a bare shell, rather than a caged up shell like the current cars.

Steel Wheels · 26 Nov 2019, 21:50 (Ref:3943073)

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Originally Posted by Jiiiiiiim

Motorbase? Now that would be a top line-up and they’d have no excuse for poor showings!

I’d of thought teaming up in his old FK2 alongside Rory would be more appealing.

redshoes · 26 Nov 2019, 21:50 (Ref:3943074)

The old Infinitis were built by GPRM, who were not known for building lightweight cars. New ones are being built by WPMS, or they will be once the two Hyundais are out of the way.

Alfisti · 26 Nov 2019, 22:03 (Ref:3943075)

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Originally Posted by Steel Wheels

I’d of thought teaming up in his old FK2 alongside Rory would be more appealing.

BTC FK2's spring to mind. Could they be in the hands of Team Chilly Jocko Land Haggis Irn Bru Knockhill Racing? Who may have acquired a Laser TBL and a HMS or Simpson one.

It's definitely not the daftest idea I've had...

Collard in a WSR BMW is not a thing I hear more's the pity.

JDMROB · 26 Nov 2019, 22:31 (Ref:3943077)

Would Sheds want to return to drive his 6 year old fk2? Is there any chance of a 3rd dynamics car? Or a 3rd BTC FK8? Maybe a factory backed new generation Ford Focus ST with Motorbase alongside Rory? Although any seat he can get he will have more success than he's had the last 2 seasons I'm sure of that. I hope we see him return, he is class.

S griffin · 26 Nov 2019, 22:32 (Ref:3943078)

I think a lot of top teams would not need asking twice when it comes to Flash

billy bleach · 26 Nov 2019, 22:35 (Ref:3943080)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alfisti

BTC FK2's spring to mind. Could they be in the hands of Team Chilly Jocko Land Haggis Irn Bru Knockhill Racing? Who may have acquired a Laser TBL and a HMS or Simpson one.

It's definitely not the daftest idea I've had...

Collard in a WSR BMW is not a thing I hear more's the pity.

Don’t the Chilton’s own Carlin?...

Alfisti · 27 Nov 2019, 11:15 (Ref:3943143)

Quote:

Originally Posted by billy bleach

Don’t the Chilton’s own Carlin?...

There is a connection, not sure whether they own it though. Certainly heavy involvement with Max and his single seat career in the States.

aland · 27 Nov 2019, 11:20 (Ref:3943145)

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Originally Posted by crmalcolm

By the time we get to Silverstone, I expect the BMR name to be pretty much none existent, except for using the workshop(s) as a destination for the cars between rounds until June/July.

workshop will be raceworx in livingston, home of laser tools racing, was built last year and is a top class facility, has dynos, bodyshop, paintshop, mechanical shop... team in place with top engineers, they could do all the shell fabrication in house easily. master tech is a experienced car builder and scottish champion racer himself.... his tig welding is a work of art

peebee2 · 27 Nov 2019, 12:12 (Ref:3943163)

Quote:

Originally Posted by billy bleach

Don’t the Chilton’s own Carlin?...

Yes. Bought it out of a pre-pack administration about a decade ago now.

crmalcolm · 27 Nov 2019, 13:17 (Ref:3943179)

Quote:

Originally Posted by aland

workshop will be raceworx in livingston, home of laser tools racing, was built last year and is a top class facility, has dynos, bodyshop, paintshop, mechanical shop... team in place with top engineers, they could do all the shell fabrication in house easily. master tech is a experienced car builder and scottish champion racer himself.... his tig welding is a work of art

Yes - I know that Laser Tools racing are based out of Scotland. The Saltire gives it away a bit

I also fully expect all of the preparation and initial build work to be carried out in Livingston.

But - as this is a combined Laser Tools and BMR Racing entry, then a quick glance at a map will show that the travel distance between Hertfordshire and venues scheduled for April and May is significantly (in terms of days) less than Livingston.

When the team packs up after events on the 12th April - then the team has the choice over the next 4 weeks:

Return to Hertfordshire between rounds - approx. 230 miles (4-5 hours travelling)
Return to Livingston between rounds - approx. 1540 miles (4-5 days travelling)

I know which makes more sense logistically

Alfisti · 27 Nov 2019, 13:44 (Ref:3943187)

So the BMR connection is they park the stuff in Warrens shed between races?

Maybe if nowt needs doing to the car - I think the shed is lacking stuff to repair/ service after the Moffats visit the other month.

crmalcolm · 27 Nov 2019, 14:06 (Ref:3943189)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alfisti

I think the shed is lacking stuff to repair/ service after the Moffats visit the other month.

Perhaps the Moffat transporter was delivering to Hertfordshire?

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