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Old 22 Jan 2005, 13:21 (Ref:1207143)   #16
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Track Days DO have a use!

There are more and more TRACK DAY only cars appearing. Some like the Westfield XTR2 are also being Sprinted, Hillclimbed and Raced. However I don't think there are enough people from these disciplines going to track days to recruit competitors.
Some Track Days allow full race cars out in a seperate session and it is at these such events that there are a lot of racers testing - Liverpool Motor Club's Aintree Track Days for example.

I can understand the initial draw of the track day scene. Especially as you can drive round some pretty decent tracks - Knockhill, Donington, Croft, Castle Combe, etc. However I think I would miss the competetive element if I abandonded sprints and hillclimbs for track days.

I think more motoring clubs should be making a bigger effort to recruit from the track day crowd.
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Old 22 Jan 2005, 13:31 (Ref:1207146)   #17
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I think more motoring clubs should be making a bigger effort to recruit from the track day crowd.
Our motoring club, the Jaguar Enthusiasts' Club, run both track days and full race meetings. At the track days, people are encouraged to bring their road cars along to have fun, but race cars are also encouraged to attend to do a bit of testing (in separate sessions of course). Usually ARDS courses are also run for the "trainee" race drivers. This gets people who are thinking of going racing together with drivers at all levels and can often get a trip round the track in one of the race cars. All in all its a great system for recruiting new drivers and has been very successful for our club.
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Old 22 Jan 2005, 14:15 (Ref:1207162)   #18
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Not only insurance, but warranty is something that has to be considered.

You can usually buy track day insurance, though.
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Old 22 Jan 2005, 15:21 (Ref:1207198)   #19
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Rightly or wrongly, track days are perceived by actual competitors as taking new venues away from the sport. Countless places that have been looked at as potential new sprint venues are found to have already committed to "trackdays" at lower noise limits than MSA-authorised speed events and refuse to risk upsetting locals by even trying a sprint.
The risk of body contact puts off most of those who dont want to race - its not the basic running costs, as there's not much to chose between some race and speed events in value for money/track time? (and single venue tarmac rallies beat both on that score and there's a passenger to share costs). Most of us cant see the point of trackdays that stop you if you take it to the limit but I guess its the inevitable result of the nanny state on the roads these days - and the result of FIA homologation regs that have produced Imprezzas, Evos etc in large numbers for the public.
Make no mistake, however, track days are slowly killing grass roots "fast" motorsport with the venue issue. That has massive implcations in the longer term.
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Old 22 Jan 2005, 17:58 (Ref:1207302)   #20
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Rightly or wrongly, track days are perceived by actual competitors as taking new venues away from the sport.
Who pays for the venues? If it's racing clubs I can see your point, but if it's private then it's the owner's business, and if it's public then the public has the right to use it too. Are we to only be allowed in as spectators?
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Old 22 Jan 2005, 18:39 (Ref:1207349)   #21
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Rockingham and BMW

The deal between Rockingham and BMW for the latter to use the former as a BMW owners track day venue has meant the potential for the club competitors to get onto the in-field track has gone up in corporate smoke.
With BMW paying over the odds to secure the venue it is now economically impossible to run a sprint at this track.

Gladly other people act in the interest of the motor racing competitors.
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Old 22 Jan 2005, 19:07 (Ref:1207367)   #22
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I have a Mk2 Golf that's built for track days, and remains my daily driver.

Why do i do track days and not competative racing?

Quite simple, cash. I cannot afford to buy another car for road and turn my Golf into a full on track race car. I cannot afford to run a car in a race series. And i cannot spare the time to do it either.

However, i CAN afford to book a 100 track day, slap on some cheap Michelin Slicks and blast around a race track at high speeds and pushing my own ability, and that of the car.


However - i will be entering my Golf in a sprint or hillclimb series this year.

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Old 23 Jan 2005, 10:12 (Ref:1207761)   #23
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Way to go!

Tubthumped - great to see that the competitive urge has taken you into the Speedscene. I really do believe it is the logical pogression for the Track Day fans. After all you are not permitted to time your runs at track days are you? So Hillclimbs and Sprints are the first step on the ladder.
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Old 23 Jan 2005, 11:28 (Ref:1207805)   #24
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Indded, and it seems quite a cheap thing to go into.

Although, compare a 60-80 Sprint/Hillclimb entry fee where you get say 6, 1 minute runs. And a day at Donington for 90 where you get 6 x 30 minute sessions.
It's not competative, but you can see where the appeal is surely?

As for timing things, I do time my videos after track days though, to see how i've improved - but not on the day. Can lead to a telling off and can lead to acidents from pushing yourself.
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Old 25 Jan 2005, 12:35 (Ref:1209530)   #25
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I think most of our 'excuses' have been covered:
- Absolute cost (prepping car, trailer, tow car, etc.)
- Value for money (tracktime per pound is much higher)
- Wish to maintain the car as daily driver
- Garage space/facilities
- Commitment to a series (overall time away from beer and family, number of committed weekends)
- Flexibility
- And importantly, I drive at my speeds, for fun rather than time. On a decent trackday, I can be reasonably confident that any damage will be self-inflicted.
Which of these apply depends on personal situation.

However, the recruitment of trackday people into competition is pretty pathetic, even though they are prime prospects. I looked at this in detail for a project that I've sadly had to can. The opportunity and mechanics are easy to define, but (with very few beacons) no-one wants to tackle it.

As an example, I regularly assist my brother (historics) and a mate (Caterham Owners Sprint Championship). I use all the excuses above. Then Graham (the co-ordinator) asked why I don't share the Se7en with my mate. 200 would get me my licence, club membership and first entry - it would almost be worth that for my mate to pay me to warm up the tyres! It hadn't dawned on either of us. One simple question has amost confirmed an extra entrant/customer.
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