[LM24] Toyota plans Le Mans return with hybrid!

[The359]

That's certainly the S101.5 with an extra duct. Everything else on the car looks fairly normal. It certainly has to be just a test car.

EDIT: The bottom of the rear end seems more sculpted than on T2M S101.5.

[Japanese Samurai]

After all, new hybrid LMP car did not appear in Toyota Motorsport Festival.

[The359]

Or that car is the hybrid. People may have assumed that when they heard that Toyota was testing a Dome, that it was an S102?

[Japanese Samurai]

Originally Posted by The359

Or that car is the hybrid. People may have assumed that when they heard that Toyota was testing a Dome, that it was an S102?

According to Yomiuri shimbun(Newspaper), Toyota's test car is the race car which participated in 2007 Le Mans.
So, I think this car to be Dome S101.5.

[deggis]

What ever these two silhuettes are on the website, surely they have to reveal them. If I yesterday looked right at the time zones and schedule on the website, all the activicity on the track should be already over by now...

[CTD]

Is TMSF all done!?.
Because what i can get out of the website (very little) the surprise would be at the end!

[Japanese Samurai]

A new LMP car did not appear.
New cars not announced beforehand was Super GT car of 09 regulation and LF-A of the Nurburgring specification.
http://gazoo.com/G-BLOG/circuitrepor...8/Article.aspx
http://gazoo.com/G-BLOG/circuitrepor...8/Article.aspx

[CTD]

Stupid Toyota!

[deggis]

Originally Posted by Japanese Samurai

A new LMP car did not appear.
New cars not announced beforehand was Super GT car of 09 regulation and LF-A of the Nurburgring specification.

But neither one matches this "LMP" silhuette on the website. Other one is clearly the 09 Super GT car.

So one to go?

Are there going to be any press announcements?

[Japanese Samurai]

Toyota was announcing the forecast that the operating revenue at the period on March,2009 decreased for one trillion yen on November 6.
This is after the Web site of TMSF is established. Therefore, the schedule of announcement for new challenge might have been changed.

[FIRE]

I am disappointed...

[gustavobamba]

I think toyota is testing is new tecnology (Hybrid) on the Dome S101.5

No new announcement soon :-(

They will test very hard until Le mans 2010 to try win in 2011...

[Tom908V12]

[AU N EGL]

Originally Posted by gustavobamba

I think toyota is testing is new tecnology (Hybrid) on the Dome S101.5

No new announcement soon :-(

They will test very hard until Le mans 2010 to try win in 2011...

Have to get an invite. Most cases they will need to race for a year first. But then again the ACO wants to have an Asian LM series. So they may get that Free Pass.

Most ppl and manufactures know there is a huge difference between testing and racing. One can test all they want, but until the car and team are under the stress of racing and competition, they wont know how good the car really is.

[Aslak Vind]

Several Japanese manufacturers seems to think, that you can test your way to a LM podium. I hope sometime in the near future, that they understand why Audi impossible to beat at Le Mans.

Race kilometers, race kilometers, race kilometers..

[AU N EGL]

Originally Posted by Aslak Vind

Several Japanese manufacturers seems to think, that you can test your way to a LM podium. I hope sometime in the near future, that they understand why Audi impossible to beat at Le Mans.

Race kilometers, race kilometers, race kilometers..

and that is only the beginning. Add to that more and more Race kilometers, race kilometers, race kilometers and finally, MORE Race kilometers, race kilometers, race kilometers.

in in between all those race kilometers, they pull the car apart, test parts, put the car back together, beat the living chit out of it, then race some more, repeat.

Look at Peugeot. They put on kilos after kilos testing and then some racing. When it came to pit stops, they almost looked like the three stooges. Not a clue what to do under pressure. That was at first. They learned quickly

So personally I hope they come, to get the pants spanked.

[rich07]

After all the buildup this is most disappointing, one hopes that the announcement has been delayed for some reason and will be done some time in the near future. Where Honda go Toyota usually follow.........

[Japanese Samurai]

Originally Posted by Japanese Samurai

This photograph is the one taken by a Japanese motorsport fan in Fuji speedway on September 9, 2008.

This car looks like Dome S101.5.
What is this duct?

http://www.henachoko.net/_src/sc443/P9090015.JPG

This is a Web site in the quotation origin.
http://www.henachoko.net/nissi08/nissi08/20080909.html

I think that this car is a hybrid test car of Toyota.

<Reason>
The turbocharged engine has not been installed in S101 and S101.5 so far.
The development program of S101.5 is sure to have ended because S102 was completed. So, there is no reason that S101.5 tests.
Youmiuri shimbun(Newspaper) was reported that Toyota was testing with the race car of 2007.

[Tom908V12]

The guys who created the strong rumours of Toyota announcing return at Le Mans last sunday(and all the international medias taking the info for truth), should be eating their hat now

[old man]

Originally Posted by AU N EGL

David

I believe the idea is to help reduce fuel consumption. Not go further. Each stint is about 50 min then come into refuel and maybe tires. Not go 3 hours without refueling or not changing tires.

What is it? 1 MG, 1 Mega Joule may be stored.

Is it not the same thing, use less fuel per mile?

If a car can run longer on the energy added at a fuel stop and be able to cover a competitive distance against the other cars then that is their advantage

[Japanese Samurai]

Originally Posted by Tom908V12

The guys who created the strong rumours of Toyota announcing return at Le Mans last sunday(and all the international medias taking the info for truth), should be eating their hat now

Sorry...
I'll eat my hat..

[zac510]

On a shorter track than Le Mans they might be tempted to use it for outright lap time as opposed to fuel saving. Le Mans is a good track like that.

[old man]

Whole point of endurance racing; in principle the winner is the car covering the greatest distance in 24 hours. Over the years we have found various ways of restricting the choices open to engineers but the principle remains the same and if a hybrid can extend the number of laps between pitstops and still run at a competitive speed then that is an advance in technology

[AU N EGL]

Originally Posted by old man

Is it not the same thing, use less fuel per mile?

If a car can run longer on the energy added at a fuel stop and be able to cover a competitive distance against the other cars then that is their advantage

I am not sure that is the intent. Each stint should be about 50 to 60 min or so. If the hybrid energy source provides additional run time to the petro engine, then the petro fuel tank will be reduced to keep each stint to that 50 to 60 min time frame.

The ACO letter stated that hybrid energy source were to reduce fuel consumption and IIRC not extend run time.

[Stefvh]

I don't get the difference.