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Old 18 Jan 2018, 05:06 (Ref:3793491)   #301
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Outside Garry, there is long time journalist & race goer Mike Jacobson who used to work for Auto Action, Racing Car News etc etc?? Perhaos that is who the reference is to?
Thanks, now that you say that i remember the "discussion" with Mike

I was thinking it was Garry's dad when he said it, But your line of thinking makes more sense
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Old 10 Apr 2018, 23:54 (Ref:3814755)   #302
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Last comment on F5000 seemed to be that the project was awaiting some rulings from CAMS.
Is this happening?
And if they are looking at " late season", when and where?
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Old 1 Jun 2018, 23:04 (Ref:3826140)   #303
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Is it dead?

Interestingly one of the backers of this project is now the naming rights partner of the F4 championship....
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Old 2 Jun 2018, 10:41 (Ref:3826184)   #304
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Wouldn't go that far YET. With the conflict regarding the chassis and engine options, 2018 was always longshot target, even for a late-year debut with a short season. I personally never expected it to materialize before 2019 - though I did HOPE that the car/engine package would be decided by March and the ball could get rolling on at least a single exhibition race.

That said, I will not be at all surprised if it does die.

Also, if it DOES happen, I hope this line is accurate:

"Speedcafe.com understands the series is leaning towards the Formula Thunder 5000 car"
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Old 2 Jun 2018, 14:10 (Ref:3826213)   #305
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That's part is true, the super5000 version of the car is dead as it should be for a joke of a product. Last I heard this car was going through the process of signing off from a chassis perspective but I believe that can often be clouded in a lot of bureaucracy as the FIA are apparently involved, hence the delays.
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Old 4 Jun 2018, 10:07 (Ref:3826704)   #306
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Aren't they still trying to develop hybrid technology for the cars??
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Hey, Onroak needs more sales considering there are only 4 cars in F3 Americas. :P


In all seriousness, if this isn't a joke it might actually be a good idea. The F3 Americas chassis is apparently pretty solid, so it could very well be a good base for such a series, and we KNOW it will have good backing.

Based on available information, it's certainly more suited to being an F5000 car than the ladder car the SCCA wants it to be. The car itself may be solid, but the performance relative to it's price with the engine package it was given is.....problematic, to put it mildly.

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Old 21 Aug 2018, 01:24 (Ref:3845104)   #309
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I thought the Swift chassis used by Borland/Lambden was economically the wat to go. The Onroak car will be a more modern thing though and is equipped with a Halo so will be safer making it more attractive to young drivers and their fathers I suppose.
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I thought the Swift chassis used by Borland/Lambden was economically the wat to go. The Onroak car will be a more modern thing though and is equipped with a Halo so will be safer making it more attractive to young drivers and their fathers I suppose.
The one thing I think works against the Swift chassis was that because of who was behind it, there may not have been enough of a support base to alleviate the concerns of the backers and prospective participants. At the very least, it's less likely to have as good of a support base as Onroak could provide.

That might go for the Super5000 design as well - both cars would probably have a better support base than I'm picturing in my mind, but I doubt either would hold a candle to what Onroak can offer - and that's the important part.

As an aside, from my observation, public support seemed to favor the Swift-derived FT5000 from the moment the final version(with the more appropriate airbox) had it's demo. Though opinions seemed very split on whether to use the Coyote engine or the Supercars engine.
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The one thing I think works against the Swift chassis was that because of who was behind it, there may not have been enough of a support base to alleviate the concerns of the backers and prospective participants. At the very least, it's less likely to have as good of a support base as Onroak could provide.

That might go for the Super5000 design as well - both cars would probably have a better support base than I'm picturing in my mind, but I doubt either would hold a candle to what Onroak can offer - and that's the important part.

As an aside, from my observation, public support seemed to favor the Swift-derived FT5000 from the moment the final version(with the more appropriate airbox) had it's demo. Though opinions seemed very split on whether to use the Coyote engine or the Supercars engine.
The likely Coyote version they will be using will make supercar power at 1/3rd the cost and half the maintenance cycles, so really there shouldn't be an argument regarding engine choice imo.

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Opinions will be swayed due to the new chassis utilising the Halo but it meant the FIA was happy and no crash testing needed to be done. Also a much shorter lead time for the initial batch since they don't have to actually make the tubs locally now.

No brainer really, still utilises the rear end seen with the swift (including rear wing), gearbox and engine.
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Old 21 Aug 2018, 10:38 (Ref:3845160)   #314
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For those interested, this is the best available video showing the Onroak-built F3 Americas car in action:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTgmOI_wxfg


In F3 Americas trim the cars are only producing about 270HP, a fair bit under half what we should be expecting from the Coyote. It's downforce levels are in tune with that 270HP power, so it will be very LOW downforce with a 600-650 HP engine in the back.


A chassis without engine costs $99,000 USD. I'm interested to know what this will likely become after applicable Australian import taxes.


Now, the funny thing about this car... On the open wheel ladder in the US, this car was supposed to be about on the level of a Pro Mazda car. Some thought maybe even Indy Lights. But when it went to Mid-Ohio and we got our first direct lap time comparison(it's debut race was at a track that Pro Mazda doesn't race at), we found the car is....no faster than the USF2000 cars that are a step BELOW Pro Mazda. And the Tatuus-built USF2000 cars cost HALF what the F3 Americas car does.


So I hope it does better as the Super5000 car, because it's certainly not up to the level it should be over here.
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Can't say I'm surprised at the chassis change, something was seriously amiss with the demo car from Sandown...
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