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Old 16 Apr 2018, 05:09 (Ref:3815947)   #76
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It looks like they have put down a fair bit of that spray on grass, it just hasn't grown yet. It will all take time I suppose, But some trees would be a good idea.
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Old 16 Apr 2018, 06:00 (Ref:3815952)   #77
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Early days but from the Shannon's National coverage the Bend is probably the 4th most interesting track in South Australia.......
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Old 16 Apr 2018, 10:17 (Ref:3815981)   #78
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Early days but from the Shannon's National coverage the Bend is probably the 4th most interesting track in South Australia.......
And 1 to 3 are
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Old 16 Apr 2018, 11:07 (Ref:3815984)   #79
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I think it's harsh to be knocking such a significant investment in our sport after it has just been completed. No doubt there'll be grass, no doubt there'll be trees and no doubt once the tarmac gets more use and teams/drivers get their head around it, the circuit will offer more racing opportunities than the dust-covered version did on the weekend.

To expect such a big project to be perfect right off the bat is completely unrealistic.
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Old 16 Apr 2018, 11:13 (Ref:3815985)   #80
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And 1 to 3 are
Adelaide - classic street circuit which is a real test of driver skill. Mistakes have consequences.

AIR - One of the great first corners in the country with the right hander ever tightening. Seen of many great overtakes. And the annoying little left hander on to the banking. No car is ever properly set up for that corner.

Mallala - long straights followed by slow corners. Traction out of the slow corners is at a premium plus the tricky section left hander followed by the right that has drivers often being hungry of the entrance and running out track on the exit.


Of course the facilities at the Bend surpass all three but why build another Eastern Creek?
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Old 16 Apr 2018, 11:44 (Ref:3815988)   #81
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Adelaide - classic street circuit which is a real test of driver skill. Mistakes have consequences.

AIR - One of the great first corners in the country with the right hander ever tightening. Seen of many great overtakes. And the annoying little left hander on to the banking. No car is ever properly set up for that corner.

Mallala - long straights followed by slow corners. Traction out of the slow corners is at a premium plus the tricky section left hander followed by the right that has drivers often being hungry of the entrance and running out track on the exit.


Of course the facilities at the Bend surpass all three but why build another Eastern Creek?
Hard to argue with the order there.

Shame AIR isn't active
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Old 16 Apr 2018, 12:29 (Ref:3815995)   #82
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Cool.

Pony up the squillions of dollars, and build your own.
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Old 16 Apr 2018, 22:58 (Ref:3816068)   #83
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Cool.

Pony up the squillions of dollars, and build your own.
I completely understand why they have gone the way they have.

And it will prove to be a fantastic facility - but will the track provide the kind of racing we see at Symmons Plains or Wanneroo example...will we talk about parts of the Bend like we talk about the esses at Sandown, turn 8 at Adelaide, the hairpin at Symmons, the abrasive surface at Wanneroo..... a great facility......an iconic race track - time will tell.
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Old 16 Apr 2018, 23:40 (Ref:3816073)   #84
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What FIA grade is TB?
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Old 16 Apr 2018, 23:42 (Ref:3816074)   #85
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Or to put it another way, I consider the change in the IMSA SCC calendar from 2017 to 2018 to be a positive one. That is, Austin is out, and Mid Ohio is back.

And for another example that is even more analogous to The Bend, I don't hear anybody over here clamoring for IMSA to go back to Miller. The ALMS and GA each tried both the 4.486-mile and 3.048-mile layouts of that facility, and they were gone after no more than five seasons.

(And in case someone tries to throw the Bahrain excuse at me, here are four good circuits in the desert or sand dunes: Willow Springs, Bridgehampton, Riverside, and Stardust.)

As for FIA status of The Bend, I suspect they were going for Grade 2.
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Old 17 Apr 2018, 00:10 (Ref:3816078)   #86
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Supercars will compete on the 4.9 kilometre International Circuit with 18 turns and aggregate elevation change of 55 metres. The Bend racing circuit is designed to comply with the latest FIA Category 2 standards. The race direction is clockwise.
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Im unaware if it has achieved this standard at this point though
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Old 17 Apr 2018, 09:01 (Ref:3816128)   #87
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I completely understand why they have gone the way they have.

And it will prove to be a fantastic facility - but will the track provide the kind of racing we see at Symmons Plains or Wanneroo example...will we talk about parts of the Bend like we talk about the esses at Sandown, turn 8 at Adelaide, the hairpin at Symmons, the abrasive surface at Wanneroo..... a great facility......an iconic race track - time will tell.
That's for the future to determine.

The place will create its own history, just like Mt Panorama has, and Sandown, etc.
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Even the comparison to Sandown is a stretch. Sandown is simple, and though not totally flat, doesn't have massive elevation changes. But even so, the proximity of the barriers and the general surroundings gives you a sense of speed that you don't reliably get from the camera shots around The Bend.

Hopefully, they find some better camera positions by the time the Supercars round comes along, so they can provide that perspective more effectively than for the GT race. I'm about 20 laps in, and most of the back side of the course just meanders around and lacks distinct landmarks, so I'm still frequently wondering when they switch shots just where around the course I'm looking.

That's another thing about Sandown, it's simple, and it's fairly short, but still long enough, like Portland here in the States. Sandown is 1.929 miles, while even that shorter version of The Bend is 3.076 miles; there's simply a lot more space that has to be filled in order to keep the senses occupied.

And the only other active Australian circuit that I'd put in that very top echelon with Bathurst is Phillip Island.

I'm glad I don't get distracted by the fancy facilities. For instance, Silverstone may be considered the home of British motorsport, but as far as the track layout itself and how enthralling it is to watch a race, I'd rate it fifth at best, behind Brands Hatch GP, Oulton Park Int'l, Donington Park GP, and Thruxton.
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Old 17 Apr 2018, 21:33 (Ref:3816247)   #89
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Adelaide - classic street circuit which is a real test of driver skill. Mistakes have consequences.

AIR - One of the great first corners in the country with the right hander ever tightening. Seen of many great overtakes. And the annoying little left hander on to the banking. No car is ever properly set up for that corner.

Mallala - long straights followed by slow corners. Traction out of the slow corners is at a premium plus the tricky section left hander followed by the right that has drivers often being hungry of the entrance and running out track on the exit.

Of course the facilities at the Bend surpass all three but why build another Eastern Creek?
Eastern Creek is a proper international Mugello/Catalunya style international circuit, as is the Bend. You could hold the Australian Grand Prix at the Bend, although Phillip Island is pretty good...

Mallala and AIR are pokey little 2km club tracks -- which both have the walls WAY too close for the comfort of people doing track days in their bog standard 1987 Toyota MR2 road car with zero safety features.

"Mallala - long straights followed by slow corners. " Apart from the small esses section (where you drive directly towards a concrete wall which is very disconcerting), Mallala doesn't flow at all. In that way it is not a fun circuit at all. It's just accelerate flat out, brake hard, repeat over and over again. :/

Nothing wrong with being small and tight club tracks with walls in close proximity. But that's what they are.

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Of course the facilities at the Bend surpass all three but why build another Eastern Creek?
Eastern Creek is pretty much a gold standard, fast flowing open international circuit like Catalunya, Mugello, Portimao, Silverstone etc. There is a limit to how sophisticated your circuit can be when it is built on flat terrain.

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Old 17 Apr 2018, 21:42 (Ref:3816249)   #90
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but will the track provide the kind of racing we see at Symmons Plains or Wanneroo example...
These are pokey little club tracks!?

Put it this way, when you load up Rfactor or Project Cars, do you really load up Symmons Plains in preference to Spa Francochamps or Mount Panorama, Bathurst!?

You don't seem to be thinking of this from the point of view of the owner-drivers (the Shahins who want a fun track to drive their Lamborghinis and Porsches) rather than from the point of view of a spectator who would seemingly be most happy at their local dirt circle track where they can see all the action...
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