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Old 6 Apr 2018, 04:09 (Ref:3813142)   #16
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In broader terms with development of the TT6 on hold and Holdens slide down the sales ladder , would Holden be looking to also end its involvement in the series? IIRC last time it only just made it across the line since the change of management which was apparently against involvement in the series.
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Old 6 Apr 2018, 04:32 (Ref:3813144)   #17
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So according to Skaife and Neil, the V6TT program will be back on track when the team is ready to not challenge for wins and be competitive on track with the ZB. Besides its already outside the old guidelines being a 5door so thats enough.

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Old 6 Apr 2018, 04:33 (Ref:3813145)   #18
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Spewing a little bit as I was hoping to see one this year at Bathurst but alas probably not.

However as someone suggested, (yep im a dinosaur) and would love to see a V8 Camaro race, however the other part of thinks why stop selling V8s in the car yard but not carry on with the development of the Turbo-ed 6 for racing. I guess the 2 dont fit with each other.

Strange times ahead.
Im all for V8s but have seen what Turbo cars now do in drag racing, its insane and evolution is paramount I guess.
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Old 6 Apr 2018, 04:43 (Ref:3813148)   #19
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I wonder if Holden is thinking about changing their racecar model to the Camaro, seeing as it has a v8 and is rear wheel drive
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Old 6 Apr 2018, 05:49 (Ref:3813151)   #20
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Sounds like someone at GM has done the numbers during development. Cost, power, economy and reliability verses the current V8 obviously didn't stack up well.

888 probably aren't too happy about this. Given it was supposed to be another source of income for the team.




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I wouldn't be surprised if this was connected to how badly Holden are doing sales wise at the moment. Without a volume seller such as the Commodore the company must be bleeding cash. I cant see sales improving in the short-mid term either. With sales at such a low how can any company be putting money into motorsport?

According to a dealer employee. Just under 1000 Commodores were sold last month. 50% being runout VF's.
Majority of the ZB's sold were fleet with preexisting Holden agreements.

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Old 6 Apr 2018, 09:05 (Ref:3813184)   #21
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The ZB is selling, they've probably shifted more since release, than Nissan has sold Altimas.

On the V6TT... total shame it's being shelved. I'm not partial to any particular engine design. If it does what it's supposed to, and happens to sound decent, it'll get a tick of approval from me.

I suspect that with teams and sponsors publicly stating their complete lack of interest in it, the numbers may not add up anymore. If the development costs were to be amortised over 14 cars, multiplied by however many engines needed (plus maintenance and repairs), then perhaps it longer stacks up if you're only catering for a much smaller group of cars?
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Old 6 Apr 2018, 10:37 (Ref:3813203)   #22
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they sold 4500 altimas, they ahvent sold that many ZB's
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Old 6 Apr 2018, 11:03 (Ref:3813207)   #23
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This surely brings into question the future of Holden in the series beyond the end of their current deals?

Wasn't the prospect of the V6TT one of the main factors that helped them commit post-2016? If they've dropped the engine, what are they dropping next?
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This surely brings into question the future of Holden in the series beyond the end of their current deals?
Yes, why would you bother.

Supercars participation seems to be bear little relation to vehicles sold. Holden and Nissan would surely look closely at Ford spending their money on conventional advertising, and question whether they too would get the most return on investment from that type of advertising rather than motorsport...
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Old 6 Apr 2018, 13:41 (Ref:3813238)   #25
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I have a V8 SS,
Im glad its not a turbo
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Old 6 Apr 2018, 20:41 (Ref:3813367)   #26
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More on the background to the V6TT decision in AA here.
I'd originally guessed that it COULD be an indicator of Supercars moving away from multi-engines and sticking with NA V8s but all articles since show that was a poor guess. This one purely a GM decision by the sound of it.
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Old 6 Apr 2018, 21:17 (Ref:3813381)   #27
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I have a V8 SS,
Im glad its not a turbo
Have you looked into the turbo version of the Cadillac ATS-V (not that it is relevant to the Australian market)? It still seems like a lot of fun even compared to the older V8 version of the Cadillac ATS-V. Sounds really good too for a V6 twin turbo.

However yanks still seem to prefer their V8 Ford F150s over their V6 ecoboost F150s, and it doesn't seem like Ford will be changing the Mustang GT to a V6 Ecoboost anytime soon (nor Chevy with the Camaro SS for that matter).
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Nothing wrong with adding a turbo or two to your SS.

Having been for a ride in a twin turbo VE SS that put out somewhere in the region of 800hp, I have to say that to own something like that is certainly on the bucket list now. Good times.
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Old 7 Apr 2018, 00:36 (Ref:3813439)   #29
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Means only one thing.

You have to ask yourself why would you spend heaps on development if you dont have anyone to race against.

Supercars has a limited future
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I think that is a bit harsh, it will eventually evolve and I think this latest news is them stepping back, taking a deep breath and looking at what may be feasible. Certainly the problem of engine parity is just about impossible if different configurations such as a turbo/atmo 6/4/8 cylinder mix was to be introduced and they would have to move away from that ideal and accept what it means. Class capacity racing seems to be dead now at a professional level so that is out the window also. The choices are very narrow when it is thought about, 2 litre turbo is the generic European approach and not much after that.
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