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Old 4 Oct 2017, 11:09 (Ref:3771728)   #1
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Colour vision test

I see that due to the introduction of LED lightboxes at circuits, MSA are mandating colour vision tests as part of the race licence medical from January. Given that around 10% of the male population have some form of colour vision deficiency I wonder if this will cause early retirement of some drivers?
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Old 4 Oct 2017, 11:28 (Ref:3771736)   #2
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I see that due to the introduction of LED lightboxes at circuits, MSA are mandating colour vision tests as part of the race licence medical from January. Given that around 10% of the male population have some form of colour vision deficiency I wonder if this will cause early retirement of some drivers?
dont remember having a race licence medical where i didnt do a colour sight test
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Old 4 Oct 2017, 11:58 (Ref:3771751)   #3
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I did think the red/green colour test was always part of the medical.....not sure why they need to retest this every year though, as I am pretty sure you are either colour blind or not, and this does not change!
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Old 4 Oct 2017, 12:02 (Ref:3771753)   #4
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dont remember having a race licence medical where i didnt do a colour sight test
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Old 4 Oct 2017, 12:18 (Ref:3771757)   #5
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Did wonder when I read the MSA Blue Book updates just how much more complicated this new test was going to be, and why seeing LED light boxes was any harder than seeing a flag?

Perhaps its to do with the colour Purple?

Although I do know one driver who's medical allegedly included the Doctor asking him "what colour is this red pullover I'm wearing?"
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Old 4 Oct 2017, 12:49 (Ref:3771765)   #6
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Although I do know one driver who's medical allegedly included the Doctor asking him "what colour is this red pullover I'm wearing?"
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Old 4 Oct 2017, 12:55 (Ref:3771766)   #7
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Although I do know one driver who's medical allegedly included the Doctor asking him "what colour is this red pullover I'm wearing?"
Well, that's obvious. It's green.
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Old 4 Oct 2017, 17:30 (Ref:3771830)   #8
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The correct answer was green as the question was what colour is my green jumper.

Way back when I applied for my original race licence the original test was the multi coloured dot and number one as proposed now, and I was unable to reach the required standard. My GP at the time also attended race meetings in a professional capacity and I remember him contacting the RAC, as it was at the time, on my behalf pointing out that although I could not reach the required standard of the official test, my colour vision was adequate to recognise the required flags. Following this the requirement was changed to the current simple colour recognition in the blue book.

I'm sure I was not alone with this and I can only see, as mentioned previously, a lot of early retirements and loss of revenue to the MSA. When will they stop putting obstacles in the form of rule changes in the way of competitors every year and instead think of helping and retaining them.
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Old 4 Oct 2017, 19:34 (Ref:3771854)   #9
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I have held a competition licence for over 20 years, I am also colour blind in the sense of the test. My doctor was confronted with an armful of Marshals flags that I borrowed from my local circuit. Having correctly named all the flags I duly passed the test and have not had a problem since. I have twice had my medical by a participating Motor racing doctor who conducted the test with some neat individual plastic wallets with relevant colours inside . I passed this also.
Over twenty plus years I have never had a Marshal flag or light recognition problem ! I have been preparing a car over the last couple of years at some consideable expense, to now be facing the fact that this new requirement will probably prevent me from racing it and leave me many pounds down at the same time.
A case of re inventing the wheel at some disruption to a good few Competitors who will no longer be applying for a licence! A considerable loss of revenue for the MSA.

I cant see why,having held a licence for twenty plus years with no problems why I cannot now have one!!
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Old 5 Oct 2017, 04:42 (Ref:3771957)   #10
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Over here you have to go to an optitians for the test.Dont know if the owner of the group is a member of the DMSB board though.No more stress related for my Int C.
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[QUOTE=oneofapair;3771854]Over twenty plus years I have never had a Marshal flag or light recognition problem ! QUOTE]


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Old 5 Oct 2017, 16:17 (Ref:3772110)   #12
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The correct answer was green as the question was what colour is my green jumper.
Apologies for the colour identification error - I wasn't going to (green) grass you up.........

I reckon so long as you know what colour the rule book is you ought to be OK......
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I reckon so long as you know what colour the rule book is you ought to be OK......
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The ambiguity of the colour vision section of the licence application has been a problem for doctors, opticians and applicants for many years now.
Somehow the MSA, or Motorsport UK if you prefer, have made it worse.

In the pamphlet accompanying the licence application it says..
"In any event, as well as passing such tests as referred to above (Ishihara and Farnsworth), there must be no risk of any errors in the perception of the colours of flags or any light boxes"

Knowing that I never have or ever will pass an Ishihara test I phoned the MSA, to be told 'that's OK, all you need to do is pass a light box test'....apparently this can be done at Race Medics in Redhill or at the Racing Car Show in Jan, and errr, um, maybe at your local circuit, but we don't know for sure

Well, that's handy then...……does anyone have any more positive info for us unfortunate 8%?
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One of the Historic FF2000 drivers failed his Ishihara test a couple of weeks ago so went to Motor Racing Medics for a lightbox test. He passed that with no problem. The good news is that, once the lightbox test pass has been recorded, there is no need to take a colour blindness test in future.
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Yes, true enough Alan, the fact that this is now a one off test certainly sweetens the pill, and will remove the yearly confusion of 'to what degree are you colour blind?'
But poor colour vision isn't confined to a 50 mile radius of Redhill.
Is there anyone out there from an operating circuit who's received instruction from Motorsport UK re conducting light box tests?
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Yes, true enough Alan, the fact that this is now a one off test certainly sweetens the pill, and will remove the yearly confusion of 'to what degree are you colour blind?'
But poor colour vision isn't confined to a 50 mile radius of Redhill.
Is there anyone out there from an operating circuit who's received instruction from Motorsport UK re conducting light box tests?
I very much doubt it as it's not MUK's responsibility to give instruction on carrying out the test, in the same way they don't get involved in arranging the provision of ECGs. The eyesight requirements are within the Medical Declaration part of the licence application and I think it's implicit that a doctor has to carry it out, Dr Green being the only one I know of. If Redhill's too far for you then Autosport is the other option as I mentioned back in post #18. I'd take the positive, it's good to have an excuse 'but I have to go to Autosport to get my eye test done...'
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He / They will also be at Race Retro in February. I don't know if The Porsche Human Performance Centre at Silverstone is able to do the alternative test, but may be worth asking..... (They do ECG/SRECG and Meds....)
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Successfully scrutineered at Motor Racing Medics in Redhill. And a very well organised and efficient outfit they are too.
You're right MGDavid, Dr Green said that there weren't any circuits geared up to do the 'light box test', mainly because the kit needed (designed and built by MRM) hasn't been bought by anyone else.
And Mike you're also right MRM are taking their kit to various shows.....so the message to all those racers who are likely to fail Mr Ishihara's fiendish test...don't leave sorting out your 'light box test' too late, as it appears there's not many folk out there that can conduct it.
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Direct quote from section H of the Yearbook. It is the same as Appendix L of the ISC

method of analysis used should be a pass of the Ishihara test (24 plate version) with the first 15 plates, presented in random order, being identified without error.

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Thanks MB
Mike H, the official MUK wording is "....a pass of the Ishihara test (24 plate version) with the first 15 plates, presented in random order, being identified without error..."
So even your 21 out of 24 is a likely failure.
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