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Old 24 Nov 2001, 14:34 (Ref:178466)   #1
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Sainz crashes into spectators on SS11

Carlos Sainz has crashed his Focus into a spectator area at a T-junction, according to www.autosport.com .

I hope nobody was killed, or severly injured. The signs don't look good as the stage was stopped for emergency vehicles to get through. Sainz managed to get to the end of the stage after being passed by Alister McRae's Hyundai.

On BBC Teletext (p361/2), 5 spectators were injured, including children.
Very sad.....

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Old 24 Nov 2001, 14:54 (Ref:178471)   #2
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A statement has been issued on www.worldrally-online.com which includes: 15 casualties, 2 air ambulances and Ford withdrawing Sainz/Moya from the Rally GB.
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Old 24 Nov 2001, 16:43 (Ref:178504)   #3
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It's very sad when it happens of course, but if you look at how these rallies are run, with spectators standing that close and on the outside of corners, it was IMO unavoidable that something like this would happen. The questions are only where and when, not if.
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Old 24 Nov 2001, 19:34 (Ref:178552)   #4
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Ford also withdrew Mark Higgins (sad, cos he was going well)
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Old 24 Nov 2001, 21:31 (Ref:178569)   #5
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On a happier note, no one was seriously injured.
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Old 24 Nov 2001, 23:19 (Ref:178592)   #6
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[QUOTE]Rally of Great Britain Stage 11 accident report
WRC 2001-11-24

An accident involving Carlos Sainz's Ford Focus on Special Stage 11 of the Network Q Rally GB has left 13 specators injured - four seriously.

Sainz's Ford Focus left the road early in SS11, Brechfa, after cresting a rise in slippery conditions. Sainz was able to continue to the next radio post, before completing the stage. The stage was then cancelled, along with SS12.

Two adult spectators are in a serious condition in a Carmarthen hospital, but with injuries that are not considered life-threatening. Two children also remain in hospital with lower leg injuries.

"West Wales General Hospital has confirmed that they have admitted two children aged 12 and 14 with lower limb injuries; one adult has head injuries and one adult has back injuries. None of these injuries are considered to be life threatening. Nine casualties had minor injuries and will be discharged later this evening.

-www.autosport.com[\QUOTE]
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Old 25 Nov 2001, 11:21 (Ref:178686)   #7
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I based my previous comment on what Sainz himself said in an interview yesterday - that he was happy that no one had been seriously injured. I guess it depends on what you define as "serious".

Latest from Autosport:
"Nine of the 13 spectators injured when Carlos Sainz's Ford Focus WRC left the road on Saturday's Brechfa 2 stage have been released from hospital - but a 13-year-old girl will undergo surgery on a leg injury later today (Sunday).

Two casualties, a 12-year-old boy with severe bruising and an adult who suffered head injuries, will leave hospital later today. Meanwhile, the 13-year-old girl is to undergo an operation for a lower leg injury and an adult with back injuries will stay in hospital for another night."
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Old 25 Nov 2001, 11:54 (Ref:178694)   #8
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I hate to say "I told you so", and I'm relieved that there were no fatalities, but can I direct you all to this Gravel Trap thread from earlier this year:

http://tentenths.com/forum/showthrea...light=Rallying

I think we can now expect to see a few more restrictions on rallying from now on ...
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Old 25 Nov 2001, 12:04 (Ref:178697)   #9
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Thanks for bringing that up, Vitesse, I too had that thread in the back of my mind. Looking briefly through it now, I see that I have repeated some of what I said back then. I can hardly say that what happened yesterday was surprising...
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Old 26 Nov 2001, 00:15 (Ref:178859)   #10
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yeah it is dangerous i remember seein people on the inside of a hairpin actually standin out on the track to see the oncoming car and thinking "get out of the way you tits"
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I was so relieved to hear that no-one was really seriously injured.

Is there any truth in the report that the spectators were in a restricted area illegally?
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Old 26 Nov 2001, 08:43 (Ref:178920)   #12
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Without being there it's difficult to surmise, but i'd be very surprised if the spectators were standing in an obvoiusly dangerous situation.

From reports I heard a marshall's car was hit too & knowing how good the UK marshalls are it's tough to believe that they allowed folks to stand where they shouldn't. Also before each stage organiser's safety cars run through the stage and if there's safety aspects the stage does not commence. (I saw delays on stages in Spain last year whilst fans were moved from some areas).

It seems that it was just an unfortunate rallying incident, and my thoughts go out to all those involved, spectators, officials and Carlos and Luis.
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Old 26 Nov 2001, 09:14 (Ref:178931)   #13
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I have to confess to not being a huge rally fan - this my first ever 'rally post'!

However, it has always appeared to me that the combination of sometimes very difficult driving conditions and the close proximity of spectators was always a recipe for disaster. From what I have read and heard, it seems that Carlos found it much more slippery that he expected and subsequently couldn't slow down in time for the corner.

From some of the earlier coverage I saw, I thought that the spectators were too close to the cars on several occasions - which a: is very dangerous and b: surely very distracting for the drivers
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Old 26 Nov 2001, 11:46 (Ref:178971)   #14
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I've read many quotes from rally drivers in the past expressing anger and anxiety both about the way the spectators disregard their own safety and the safety of the drivers in their attempts to get close to the cars -- in Portugual I understand they used to try to TOUCH the cars as they went by! Besides being dangerous this seems to me to be a huge distraction to the drivers who have to watch out for unpredictable people leaping in their way as well as dangerous driving conditions.
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Old 26 Nov 2001, 12:26 (Ref:178983)   #15
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Yes I remember a photo of Markku Alen in a Lancia GrpB car, midair over the jumps in Portugal heading straight towards a sea of people (you couldn't see the road at all), plus an incident in Colin McRae's final year for Subaru when he clipped an idiot standing on the racing line on the inside of a corner, flipping aforementioned idiot up into the air and breaking his leg.

I must admit these spectator issues are something which concerns me about Dave Richard's plans to make the WRC as popular as F1. There's no way that everyone is going to stop at home and watch on TV, so there will be more folks heading off to the rally stages. Given that these tend to be in remote locations the traffic / parking problems will make Silverstone look like a blueprint for a perfect event, and once the spectators are there, where to safely locate them will be the next thing, as will keeping them marshalled.

Unfortunately I can see a day when rallys take place in purpose built stadiums (sort of a super-duper special), but hey at least they can use the original Nurburgring for the German round - just dig up the tarmac.
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