IMSA Race CTSCC 2017

[Bcarr6]

Originally Posted by Speed-King

Meanwhile at Daytona:







Looks like the Astons are getting a full-size rear wing.

Those are GT4 spec Aston rear wings, the Smaller rear wing was GS spec.

I believe GS cars now have to be fully GT4 spec right?


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[Speed-King]

Those are GT4 spec Aston rear wings, the Smaller rear wing was GS spec.

Nope, they still ran the small wing in Europe last season: Link

The only place that had wings like that last year was World Challenge.

I believe GS cars now have to be fully GT4 spec right?

No, this year you can run either GT4 or old GS-spec (Muehlner said they'd do just that for their Caymans to see which gets better BoP).

[Speed-King]

Originally Posted by Coach Ep

Alfas are available in the US now I believe, recently I've seen a local dealership and they sponsor a college halftime report show (basketball if I'm correct).

The Giulia is, the Giulietta - which is the Alfa currently raced in TCR - isn't.

[jjvincent]

The Giulia just started here in the US. They sold 29 in December. It's a 4 door sedan that's the size of a 3 series BMW. It's either 4wd or RWD. It sort of look like a Kia Optima (which would really irritate the Alfa fans). I just drove a Quadrifoglio and it's a rocketship and if anything could be GT4, it's that car, not the 4C.

The 4C is selling about 23 per month. Dealers can't unload them.

In the end, FCA has so many problems (the Giulia was delayed a year), Fiat sales are so bad it's not even funny and most other FCA sales are in the dumper. So, I don't see anything from that company just because they need to actually be selling cars first.

I also wonder what the interest in the US will be for TCR. I know I have been part of at least two surveys for gauging the interest in that class and it's not much. Plus, the US debut of the cars at Homestead never happened. Supposedly there are not enough cars for TCR Las Americas. There has been no info about that TCR series since mid 2016.

I assume that IMSA and WC Vision will just force everyone to do TCR and thus, it'll become popular. Too bad they will be draining the swamp of the current 35-40 ST, 20-25 TC cars and just like when they drained the 30 GS car field two years ago. On the other hand, the M235iRacing will become the new Cayman and everyone will be sick of seeing 50% of the field made up of them. As we all know, running a $89K turnkey racecar that's made mostly of off the shelf street components (plus there are a number of BMW Motorsport dealers in the US, so getting parts is easier and the warehouse is 3 miles from my house) and rwd is much more attractive. A FWD car where you must get your parts from the one guy in the US who has the parts you need, is not. Good thing is we'll see how it and the Audi TCR cars match up against the M235iRacing in PWC for 2017. Then there's the fact that there are way more people that like to race BMW's and Porsche's (as represented by their own overly popular respective series') as opposed to an Audi, Honda, Ford or Mazda. Like it or not, ST and GS are 95% rental. When you got to cut a big check, you'd rather do it with something that is well proven (the BMW has been around since 2014) and easy to drive.

[nasportscar]

Originally Posted by jjvincent

I assume that IMSA and WC Vision will just force everyone to do TCR and thus, it'll become popular. Too bad they will be draining the swamp of the current 35-40 ST, 20-25 TC cars and just like when they drained the 30 GS car field two years ago. On the other hand, the M235iRacing will become the new Cayman and everyone will be sick of seeing 50% of the field made up of them. As we all know, running a $89K turnkey racecar that's made mostly of off the shelf street components (plus there are a number of BMW Motorsport dealers in the US, so getting parts is easier and the warehouse is 3 miles from my house) and rwd is much more attractive. A FWD car where you must get your parts from the one guy in the US who has the parts you need, is not. Good thing is we'll see how it and the Audi TCR cars match up against the M235iRacing in PWC for 2017.

It's a tuned-down version of the TCR car that will be moved back to TCR spec for 2018

[jjvincent]

Originally Posted by nasportscar

It's a tuned-down version of the TCR car that will be moved back to TCR spec for 2018

That's an overly generic statement. So, what is "tuned down"?

[nasportscar]

Originally Posted by jjvincent

That's an overly generic statement. So, what is "tuned down"?

Different gearbox and brakes

[nasportscar]

Roar data http://nasportscar.com/2017-ctscc-da...before-the-24/

[Rcz]

I hate if TCR replaces ST. Heck I hate that that GT4 is replacing the homebuilt GS cars. I saw the scca runoff the other day and it was awesome, why can't conti be this. Someone built a caddie racer in American Sedan class and it was cool, too bad you won't see in GS.

[BullMan]

Originally Posted by Rcz

I hate if TCR replaces ST. Heck I hate that that GT4 is replacing the homebuilt GS cars. I saw the scca runoff the other day and it was awesome, why can't conti be this. Someone built a caddie racer in American Sedan class and it was cool, too bad you won't see in GS.

The rebound of numbers in GS seems to say otherwise. Obviously, we've only seen the Daytona entries, but this is much better than the end of 2016 was for that class.

[Bcarr6]

Originally Posted by BullMan

The rebound of numbers in GS seems to say otherwise. Obviously, we've only seen the Daytona entries, but this is much better than the end of 2016 was for that class.

Yeah agreed, there was plenty of chance for home built GS cars and the takers dropped and dropped.

GT4 is clearly what the owners want and they create great racing so fine by me


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[Speed-King]

Originally Posted by Bcarr6

Yeah agreed, there was plenty of chance for home built GS cars and the takers dropped and dropped.

GT4 is clearly what the owners want and they create great racing so fine by me

Well - new rule sets often bring new enthusiasm and a boom in entry numbers - the question is if it is a sustainable one. I think it'll be two or three years before we can really say if adding GT4 helped the series or not. For now it seems to be working, but the cost of running a full season with the GT4s will only really become apparent come October.

[jjvincent]

For Daytona:
GS - 20
ST - 20
Total Caymans: 19

2016:
GS - 8
ST - 29

http://sportscarchallenge.imsa.com/s..._entrylist.pdf

[Bcarr6]

Originally Posted by jjvincent

For Daytona:
GS - 20
ST - 20
Total Caymans: 19

2016:
GS - 8
ST - 29

http://sportscarchallenge.imsa.com/s..._entrylist.pdf

Great spread


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[Rodger Davies]

Great entry, first discovered this series after the GA-ALMS merger and love the racing, but obviously last year was a disappointing one; luckily seems to be on a big up again this year. Hope we see the Camaro join in later in the season too.

[Coach Ep]

More Mustangs on the way: http://sportscar365.com/imsa/ctscc/k...-to-ctsc-grid/

[Cheyne]

No video for today's race? On the IMSA TV site all I can find is radio only.

[tux]

Originally Posted by Cheyne

No video for today's race? On the IMSA TV site all I can find is radio only.

There is a stream here.
http://multimedia.netstorage.imsa.co...ans/index.html

For some reason the IMSA.TV page has no stream.

[Cheyne]

Originally Posted by tux

There is a stream here.
http://multimedia.netstorage.imsa.co...ans/index.html

For some reason the IMSA.TV page has no stream.

I found in all my machines that Chrome didn't work, but Explorer did. I pasted the link from Explorer into Chrome and it worked.

Cheyne

[nasdriv87]

Originally Posted by Cheyne

No video for today's race? On the IMSA TV site all I can find is radio only.

race came here... http://www.fanschoice.tv/watch-live/imsa/weathertech

qualy and some practise too

[nasportscar]

Daytona data http://nasportscar.com/2017-ctscc-da...lysis-daytona/

[Bcarr6]

Anyone know when the race is likely to go on YouTube?


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[Matt]

After its TV air-date.