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That is why I assumed the comment about the positive remark from DR was a joke.
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1. Is it distracting? 2. How much does it obstruct the driver's view? IMHO, the comment above about Bottas speaks only to #1 (particularly the "he forgot about it" part.) Your brain will ignore much that blocks your eyes (Such as your nose, glasses, etc. In this case it is the Halo that it ignores) and create a single image, but... it can't magically reconstruct what is happening behind an obstruction even if you mentally block it out. So how much of an issue #2 is will be determined in 2018 on track. Richard |
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no doubt one can learn to look around it/ignore it but i still do have questions about visibility at the start line....specifically if everyone will have the same ability to see?
cars in different positions and the angle they have to look up at to see the starting lights kind of issues have they even tested visibility from every stating box position on a grid? STR put out a pic of its new car on track have to say i thought the HALO would look 'smaller' but from this perspective it looks to be the largest most visible appendage on the car (besides the tires that is). it really is a massive piece of kit. |
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Think about cars getting to the bottom of Eau Rouge. How much will the flip-flop piece obscure the vision of the road *above* and ahead just as they arrive at the compression? There are parts of Interlagos, too, where the driver's eye line is most definitely not flat but above the horizon. I've stayed as measured as possible over the whole thing, but I'm now leaning toward the opinion that the Halo is either the right answer to the wrong question, or the wrong answer to the right question. I have no doubt at all that it'll be great at keeping big intrusive things like wheels and the floors of other cars off the helmet, so that's a definite improvement. I remain unconvinced at the small high-speed projectile problem, though. |
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IIRC Ricciardo said it was fine on the flat, but didn’t comment on gradients.
Although, also IIRC, it was tested at Spa. |
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I was thinking about the very same thing, what with how frenetic starts to a GP can be, cars either side as everyone jockeys for track position. Bottas says that after a few laps in the simulator he didn't notice it but this the actual start of the race, not a simulation.
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Look at this video of Alonso on the banking at Daytona at the recent 24hr race (jumping in at 6m28s)... https://youtu.be/H9Ek6c9rExg?t=6m28s They switch between a camera that sits behind (and slightly above) the driver's head and one that is on the dash. On the dash you get a better view, the one behind his head can show the difficulty of looking down the banking (effectively looking up and to the left) and how the top of the car may block the view. In the 70's Porsche added a small window in the ceiling of the 917 to allow for drivers to see more of the track when on the banking at Daytona. I don't think that window was used on other tracks. Richard |
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Hopefully the HALO really screws with the aerodynamics of the rear wing and forces the teams to run less downforce on the front to balance the aero loading which will in turn improve the racing. Last edited by wnut; 22 Feb 2018 at 06:07. |
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Toto Wolff: "I'm not impressed with the whole thing & if you give me a chainsaw I would take it off. We need to look after driver safety but what we have implemented is aesthetically not appealing. We need to tackle that & come up with something that looks better."
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He could have said something after Vettel did his lap round Silverstone but chose not to.
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Teams are perfectly happy to fit 'ugly' if they can get it to work, or they perceive an advantage. Take the T-bar as an example. If Toto has a problem, it won't be aesthetics. |
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it’s hard to disagree with that isn’t it?
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That's what I was thinking.
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Generating all sorts of vortices to mess with the nice laminar flow to the rear wing, this could be good yet!
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Nah, it’s just an opportunity for Christian to sound in touch with the fans.
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https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/w...d-fans-935056/ Edited to add - Oh goody, yet more areas for aerodynamic bits to be fittted and for the FIA to have to issue 'clarifications' about |
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Time to say something surely would have been when the various options were being considered? All his comment sounds like now is shouting after the horse has bolted and attention seeking. |
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