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Old 20 Mar 2020, 11:35 (Ref:3965772)   #3781
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Of course there were once was a time a car could last several seasons like the Maserati 250F or the Williams FW07. It will be hard for those who’s cars aren’t fast enough this season, but of course they can always upgrade their cars. Might also be a problem if Merc have a dominant car for this season, as there a more chance of the status quo contuining
The rule set would mean that for '21 the cars have to remain as they are now i believe?

The last multi season chassis was the Mac 17 which I think ran for 3 years, and got better each year which was quite amazing!!
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Old 20 Mar 2020, 11:41 (Ref:3965779)   #3782
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The MP-17 was introduced in 2002 and an updated version they used for 2003 as a stopgap for MP-18 which never raced
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Old 20 Mar 2020, 11:43 (Ref:3965782)   #3783
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The MP-17 was introduced in 2002 and an updated version they used for 2003 as a stopgap for MP-18 which never raced
I thought it first raced in 2001?
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Old 20 Mar 2020, 11:55 (Ref:3965788)   #3784
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The MP4-17 was raced in 2002 and 2003 because the MP4-18, which was designed for 2003, suffered crash test and reliability problems.
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Old 20 Mar 2020, 12:06 (Ref:3965796)   #3785
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It was renamed 17D for 2003, the D standing for 'development'. A bit odd, given that all actual development was directed towards the absolutely hateful MP4-18.

And still they nearly nabbed a driver's title.
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Old 20 Mar 2020, 12:17 (Ref:3965801)   #3786
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Yeah, that title chance was mainly due to Kimiís consistency and the new for 2003 points system. Still it was quite an achievement considering
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Old 21 Mar 2020, 12:14 (Ref:3965983)   #3787
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Presumably McLaren will need a new chassis in 2021 to pair with their new Merc engine deal no?
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Old 21 Mar 2020, 12:24 (Ref:3965985)   #3788
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Also does Ferrari show up with the same car in 2021 as the one that let them down in pre season testing this year?

And if the rules get pushed back does another team (racing point clone) show up with a DAS feature?
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Old 21 Mar 2020, 13:38 (Ref:3965996)   #3789
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DAS is an interesting one as the chassis design would have to allow it as the chassis design is fixed. McLaren should be able to fit the Merc motor as all the location points are common to all engines along with overall dimensions. However there may be issues related to things like cooling etc.
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is the chassis fixed?

i thought the 2021 rules had just been pushed back to 2022 and if the 2020 rules apply to 2021 now, then DAS should be allowed for 2021(as the rule excluding it has now been pushed to 2022)...rather teams, as always, should presumably be allowed to build as many new tubs as they want provided they adhere to the 2020 regs.

this is all assumption on my part so could be very wrong on this.
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Old 21 Mar 2020, 16:55 (Ref:3966021)   #3791
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is the chassis fixed?

i thought the 2021 rules had just been pushed back to 2022 and if the 2020 rules apply to 2021 now, then DAS should be allowed for 2021(as the rule excluding it has now been pushed to 2022)...rather teams, as always, should presumably be allowed to build as many new tubs as they want provided they adhere to the 2020 regs.

this is all assumption on my part so could be very wrong on this.
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Regarding the postponement of the 2021 regulations, he added: "Due to the currently volatile financial situation this has created, it has been agreed that teams will use their 2020 chassis for 2021, with the potential freezing of further components to be discussed in due course.
Only thing I've seen on it though.
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I hadn't read that.
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Old 22 Mar 2020, 06:06 (Ref:3966084)   #3793
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It's probably for the best they are keeping the same cars for next season. Maybe they can reduce the downforce on them to not leave us too disappointed, but I'm probably dreaming
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Presumably McLaren will need a new chassis in 2021 to pair with their new Merc engine deal no?
I believe that engine mount points were standardized years ago. So a current monocoque could bolt to any power unit hypothetically. But clearly packaging of everything else related to the power unit would need to be reworked. Think of Brawn GP switching from Honda to Mercedes power.

Also, when they say "chassis" what exactly do they mean? And as much as they say things will be frozen, teams will develop as much as they can before 2021 season.

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Also, when they say "chassis" what exactly do they mean? And as much as they say things will be frozen, teams will develop as much as they can before 2021 season.
I'm not sure what they actually mean, but I would have imagined one way to control this is:

'All components, as fitted when subjected to crash safety tests' might be a good starting point?
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