MaximumGroup. Net2019 Touring Car Trophy (TCR)

medius · 30 Aug 2018, 21:22 (Ref:3847142)

Just announced by Maximum Motorsport.

MaximumGroup.net Touring Car Trophy (TCT) 2019

Want to drive a Touring Car but don’t have the budget

We have an exciting new race series in 2019 for Teams and Drivers at a fraction of the current Touring Car/TCR cost.

Eligible cars:

TCR to any specification
World Touring Cars
NGTC Touring Cars
S2000 Touring Cars
Seat Super Copa mk2

The MaximumGroup.net Touring Car Trophy (TCT) is being introduced in 2019 to run alongside the current Milltek Sport Volkswagen Cup on the British GT package and similar high-profile events.

We invite race teams and drivers to get in touch with us to find out more information about this exciting new series.

Email: motorsport@maximumgroup.net

Edit- thread title typo, stupid mobile autocorrected TCT to TCR!

Evantra · 30 Aug 2018, 21:45 (Ref:3847147)

Always like to see new championships but... can't see this working. From that list of eligible cars you'll only be getting TCR cars in any significant number (and judging by TCR UK not that many!) and that still involves the cost of buying a TCR car, so not really that cheap.

WTCC (I assume TC1) cars won't happen, and there are very few spare NGTC cars around. Not sure about S2000 or SEATs.

Good luck to them, but I'm getting the same vibes as TCR UK and BTEC...

redshoes · 30 Aug 2018, 22:06 (Ref:3847151)

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Originally Posted by medius

to run alongside the current Milltek Sport Volkswagen Cup

So basically grid filler.

They have previously touted around various TCR / VAG related ideas. Has all the hallmarks of a fishing exercise. Target a big enough range of eligible cars and hope enough people bite.

MissClarrpz · 30 Aug 2018, 22:17 (Ref:3847152)

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Originally Posted by Evantra

Good luck to them, but I'm getting the same vibes as TCR UK and BTEC...

It sounds identical to the idea for TC Open that took over from Seat Leon Eurocup.

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TCR-specification cars...TC1, TCN1 (NGTC) and old Super 2000 models

Literally exactly the same
And sounds similar to DTC when they tried to add TCR to their existing series.
Or like plans to add TCR as WTCC2 to help TC1 get numbers
Or when Creventic created the 24h Proto series and then brought it back for another year
Or when TCR Benelux added Clios to their championship
Or when STCC added Clios to their championship (actually this one worked when they backed down)
Or when Peugeot were going to create a Peugeot only Endurance series from the 308 Cup and other Peugeot series (again it worked when they canned this idea and kept 308 Racing Cup)

Basically. Chances of success are small.

Alfisti · 31 Aug 2018, 10:52 (Ref:3847204)

This looks to be an attempt to saturate an already full market.

It will either not get going at all, or if it does may cause TCR UK to collapse depending on which of these would be cheaper to run and bring sponsors on board.

Maximum I think are wading into out of depth territory... running a race series I would suspect is a far more demanding task than running small(ish) race team?

aland · 31 Aug 2018, 11:09 (Ref:3847212)

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Originally Posted by Evantra

WTCC (I assume TC1) cars won't happen, and there are very few spare NGTC cars around. Not sure about S2000 or SEATs.

Good luck to them, but I'm getting the same vibes as TCR UK and BTEC...

plenty of spare ngtc cars, 2 infinitis, 2 audis, 1 proton, a few avensis, insignias, chevy cruzes. okay several might be shells or missing a few bits but i am sure mr mallock will supply parts. 4 s2000 cars in scotland alone, 2 foci and 2 vectras.

it is all about cost, okay you wont have mr gow wanting 10k as a registration fee but ngtc and s2000 cars are fragile and tcr even more so and it doesnt take much to break suspension parts. you might have the option to fabricate your own unline btcc where everything has to have toca stamps

redshoes · 31 Aug 2018, 12:19 (Ref:3847229)

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Originally Posted by Alfisti

Maximum I think are wading into out of depth territory... running a race series I would suspect is a far more demanding task than running small(ish) race team?

Maximum already run the VW Racing Cup series that this will run alongside.
http://www.vwracingcup.co.uk/meet-the-team/4593281044

redshoes · 31 Aug 2018, 12:37 (Ref:3847233)

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Originally Posted by aland

plenty of spare ngtc cars, 2 infinitis, 2 audis, 1 proton, a few avensis, insignias, chevy cruzes. okay several might be shells or missing a few bits but i am sure mr mallock will supply parts. 4 s2000 cars in scotland alone, 2 foci and 2 vectras.

Most of those NGTC cars have been total stripped back to a shell, or are now show cars. Whilst they could be rebuilt, I don't see that as very likely. The only one I can genuinely see as possible is the HARD Toyota that they use for experience days and have run in Britcar a couple of times, but even that is heavily dependant on getting a rent-a-driver each week.

Don't believe the two Vectras are race ready. There are a few S2000 cars around but I don't see the appeal of running one in this type of series.

WTCC TC1 is a non-starter. Very few cars available and too expensive to run.

Assuming TCR UK continues, I don't see any drivers doing TCT as well - most are struggling for budget in TCR as it is without adding more races in another series. Even if TCR UK folds, I think this is too much of a step down for many drivers - going from known, if poorly supported, formula to a rung-what-you-brung club series.

I suspect we will be able to count the number of entries on one hand.

Alfisti · 31 Aug 2018, 14:29 (Ref:3847253)

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Originally Posted by redshoes

Maximum already run the VW Racing Cup series that this will run alongside.
http://www.vwracingcup.co.uk/meet-the-team/4593281044

Must have had my eyes closed, never knew this; I take back what I previously said.

antnee · 3 Sep 2018, 11:40 (Ref:3847872)

There are lots of eligible cars around running in many different classes - this idea is to bring them together, while trying to keep it fairly cheap.

There is a massive jump in costs from a series like VW Cup to the likes of British GT/TCR UK/Clios, the likely aim of this series is to fill that void.

CaptRustyNail · 3 Sep 2018, 20:16 (Ref:3847979)

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Originally Posted by redshoes

Most of those NGTC cars have been total stripped back to a shell, or are now show cars. Whilst they could be rebuilt, I don't see that as very likely. The only one I can genuinely see as possible is the HARD Toyota that they use for experience days and have run in Britcar a couple of times, but even that is heavily dependant on getting a rent-a-driver each week.

Rob Austin's former A4 is regularly raced, not sure what in but i have seen pictures on social media. But the rest, other then the Infiniti's perhaps would be just a shell.

Evantra · 3 Sep 2018, 20:21 (Ref:3847980)

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Originally Posted by CaptRustyNail

Rob Austin's former A4 is regularly raced, not sure what in but i have seen pictures on social media. But the rest, other then the Infiniti's perhaps would be just a shell.

Runs in Britcar atm. There are a few ex-btcc cars in similar series, think the Arena Focus also runs in Britcar, there's a few Hondas around and the Golf runs in time attack stuff.

Moneyseeker · 4 Sep 2018, 05:24 (Ref:3848055)

The problem with throwing an 'umbrella ' over a wide range of cars is that potentially you end up with a 15 car grid (say) with 3 cars from each 'class ', which doesn't always work.

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Craner Curves · 4 Sep 2018, 09:20 (Ref:3848094)

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Originally Posted by Moneyseeker

The problem with throwing an 'umbrella ' over a wide range of cars is that potentially you end up with a 15 car grid (say) with 3 cars from each 'class ', which doesn't always work.

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And then everyone switches to the dominant class because its the car to have and nobody wants a class win, they want overall glory and a drive for Team HARD.

indigorallye · 6 Sep 2018, 19:41 (Ref:3848538)

I know of quite a few Seat Supercopas looking for somewhere to race.