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Old 11 Mar 2020, 08:28 (Ref:3962987)   #226
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Walkinshaw seems happy that new manufacturers would be happy with a cast iron pushrod 2 valve category engine based on the existing 50-year-old BOSS 302 and somewhat newer Aurora design, but I'm not convinced.

Surely manufacturers would be after some modern road-relevant technology -- direct injection, hybrid systems and so on?

Would something akin to say this Mazda AER engine be a better fit? Crucially, it would be a chance to forget the regressive Group 3A pushrod V8 regulations and return to the iconic layout of 4 cylinders and turbocharger that the Nissan Bluebird and Ford Sierra made famous in the ATCC.

Out with the blasť Mustang GT and in with the mighty Mustang Ecoboost!





One might call such a category engine, a modernised Cossie. Isn't the Cossie wonderful?

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Old 11 Mar 2020, 18:35 (Ref:3963126)   #227
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Walkinshaw seems happy that new manufacturers would be happy with a cast iron pushrod 2 valve category engine based on the existing 50-year-old BOSS 302 and somewhat newer Aurora design, but I'm not convinced.

Surely manufacturers would be after some modern road-relevant technology -- direct injection, hybrid systems and so on?

Would something akin to say this Mazda AER engine be a better fit? Crucially, it would be a chance to forget the regressive Group 3A pushrod V8 regulations and return to the iconic layout of 4 cylinders and turbocharger that the Nissan Bluebird and Ford Sierra made famous in the ATCC.

Out with the blasť Mustang GT and in with the mighty Mustang Ecoboost!





One might call such a category engine, a modernised Cossie. Isn't the Cossie wonderful?
If they do a control engine, they should go completely bonkers! How about one of those Judds people used to run in LMP1 15 years ago?
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Old 12 Mar 2020, 01:50 (Ref:3963243)   #228
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Walkinshaw seems happy that new manufacturers would be happy with a cast iron pushrod 2 valve category engine based on the existing 50-year-old BOSS 302 and somewhat newer Aurora design, but I'm not convinced.

Surely manufacturers would be after some modern road-relevant technology -- direct injection, hybrid systems and so on?

Would something akin to say this Mazda AER engine be a better fit? Crucially, it would be a chance to forget the regressive Group 3A pushrod V8 regulations and return to the iconic layout of 4 cylinders and turbocharger that the Nissan Bluebird and Ford Sierra made famous in the ATCC.

Out with the blasť Mustang GT and in with the mighty Mustang Ecoboost!





One might call such a category engine, a modernised Cossie. Isn't the Cossie wonderful?
They did some really good work updating the 1970's Pinto....
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Old 21 Apr 2020, 21:46 (Ref:3972121)   #229
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HSV culls the Chevrolet Camaro. So there goes the logical Commodore successor.
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Old 22 Apr 2020, 02:43 (Ref:3972139)   #230
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On the end the punter doesnt care what donk it has, as long as it sounds good, is fast and all (or most) teams are competitive.
We have had mistakes in the past
formula torana 78 79
Formula sierra and formula GTR in the 80s
when one car was so far in front it was go with them or go home.
They must look sexy, sound scary, be fast enough, and "resemble" a known road car.
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Old 22 Apr 2020, 04:13 (Ref:3972145)   #231
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you have to wander if gm plan to supply car body shells of any brand and what would even come close to supercar paratte between brands
gm brand cars that could work
buick
2020 REGAL SPORTBACK
2020 REGAL GS
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MALIBU
IMPALA
CAMARO

even https://www.walkinshawperformance.com.au/ have no car after 2017
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Old 22 Apr 2020, 04:32 (Ref:3972146)   #232
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https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/cam...d-in-australia
which would see it continue to convert the Chevrolet Silverado pick-up, while also possibly adding the Corvette, large GM SUVs, and even models from other brands in the GM family to its portfolio.
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Old 22 Apr 2020, 06:17 (Ref:3972149)   #233
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I know, I know it's all been said before...

...but I just looked at this article on Aaron Seton and doesn't the TA2 Mustang look the horn compared to the ugly thing v8 Supercars has running around. Not bad at half the price as well.
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Old 22 Apr 2020, 06:38 (Ref:3972154)   #234
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I know, I know it's all been said before...

...but I just looked at this article on Aaron Seton and doesn't the TA2 Mustang look the horn compared to the ugly thing v8 Supercars has running around. Not bad at half the price as well.
They are far less than half the price of a Supercar. You could probably buy 5, for the cost of a new Supercar.
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Old 23 Apr 2020, 04:48 (Ref:3972315)   #235
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I still say MARC II is the answer. Fast, relatively cheap, tough and look great.
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Old 24 Apr 2020, 08:19 (Ref:3972575)   #236
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HSV culls the Chevrolet Camaro. So there goes the logical Commodore successor.
That could be a problem.
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Old 25 Apr 2020, 02:32 (Ref:3972741)   #237
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That could be a problem.
Yep!

Well, they can always go for Plan B ... oh, that's right, there doesn't seem to be a plan B.
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Old 25 Apr 2020, 07:37 (Ref:3972761)   #238
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Yep!

Well, they can always go for Plan B ... oh, that's right, there doesn't seem to be a plan B.
Supercars lack of forward planning has not gone well.

How can BTCC attract over 10 manufacturers on the grid (including the supposedly essential Vauxhall and Ford brands), while Supercars can barely manage to attract two!?

It's almost as if their rules allow anybody to build a car from any manufacturer, and have a reasonable chance of success, without it costing an arm and a leg to do so...

Brands like Jaguar and BMW would be perfect -- they sell aspirational coupes with V8 engines and have heritage in ATCC racing, yet Supercars fail so totally in making the business and sporting case compelling.




Perhaps Supercars should bring in the BMW M850i as the replacement model for the defunct Holden Commodore even if Supercars have to pay for the homologation themselves. The BMW 8 series is a very good match to Mustang in terms of body style, and it's a shame that Camaro won't be joining it on the grid!!

I guess Supercars could still pay for the homologation of the discontinued Camaro too, but it depends how badly Supercars think they need to pander to supporters of a car brand that doesn't exist anymore.

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Old 25 Apr 2020, 07:54 (Ref:3972766)   #239
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Supercars have hit the ultimate perfect storm...

No Racing
No suitable cars to race in this market in the future
Media rights problems
No other manufacturers interested
The sponsor market could be questionable when racing gets going again

The BTCC races cars that are relevant to their market, do you think those same cars would attract crowds here? Our market is SUV/luxury sedans/4WD etc even the Japanese hot sedan market seems to have withered away, god knows what the kids are going to modify now.
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Old 25 Apr 2020, 08:13 (Ref:3972768)   #240
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No suitable cars to race in this market in the future
BMW M850i, Mercedes E class coupe, Jaguar F Type and others beg to differ. There are a plenty of aspirational coupes that can join Mustang on the grid.

Supercars goal is to make the business case too good to resist, say by paying for all of the homologation and 80 percent of BMW's sponsorship cost to Walkinshaw Racing.

Judd already do a racing V8 based on a BMW production engine: http://juddpower.com/our-engines/judd-hk-v8-lmp2/ So Supercars could order a set of 5.0L stroker versions. It should be quite similar to the Volvo Polestar Supercars engine, which was also a stroker of a existing production-based race engine, and should be competitive (more so than the Nissan with it's big bore and short stroke that's not optimal for the low rev limit mandated in Supercars).

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