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Old 1 Mar 2020, 07:48 (Ref:3960741)   #1
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Question to the FIA re Ferrari Investigation

At the next press conference in Melbourne a question from the floor......

If Ferrari had won the constructor championship last year would the findings you have reached after the examination of the motor changed that result?
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Old 1 Mar 2020, 08:59 (Ref:3960764)   #2
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At the next press conference in Melbourne a question from the floor......

If Ferrari had won the constructor championship last year would the findings you have reached after the examination of the motor changed that result?

Here are some links on the subject


https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/51688538


https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14...ri-2019-engine


I wonder was it a case that the FIA found what Ferrari was doing but could not prove it?
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Old 1 Mar 2020, 10:38 (Ref:3960771)   #3
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This is the problem of the sport being so beholden to manufacturers. It being Ferrari is just icing on the cake as they are extra special (veto power, etc). Aren't the teams in final negotiations with respect to 2021 Concord Agreement as well? Am I cynical or is the timing (and clearly this outcome) suspicious?

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This is the problem of the sport being so beholden to manufacturers. It being Ferrari is just icing on the cake as they are extra special (veto power, etc). Aren't the teams in final negotiations with respect to 2021 Concord Agreement as well? Am I cynical or is the timing (and clearly this outcome) suspicious?

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Agreed.
I've said it before and I'll say it again......'glad I'm as old as I am and saw better times.

Oooohhhhh, let's say '60-mid '90s.....

Admittedly there was stuff goin' on but not like lately. The "sport" is over......

(edit: I neglected to mention; 'not just F1. Luckily, amateurs are still hangin' in there......)

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Yup, because the sport never had any one cheating before. Nope, it was always pure and clean. Get off it, the sport has been clean and open. That era never existed
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Yup, because the sport never had any one cheating before. Nope, it was always pure and clean. Get off it, the sport has been clean and open. That era never existed
Remember 'Spygate' (aka Stepneygate) in 2007, where McLaren obtained Ferrari secrets by deception, and copped a DSQ from the season and a humungous fine.

Edit: Nearly forgot Crashgate, although that was just plain cheating rather than car cheating.

also BAR Honda DSQ's and 2 race ban for having oversize / hidden fuel tanks back c 2005.

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How much if this is the news/media looking to make more of this then it is?

All fair I suppose because most people, including myself, believe that Ferrari get their share of assistance from the FIA but is this not more of a case of Ferrari pushing the limits and basically just being told to stop using this design/setup? Thats what it seemed like last season after their performance dropped.

I would like to know the details of the 'settlement' though.
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How much if this is the news/media looking to make more of this then it is?
I cannot believe you're even suggesting that the media would make up stories?!!

What a scandalous idea!

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I wonder if anything would have happened if their rivals hadnít drawn the FIAís attention to it. Probably just as well, so Ferrari donít get away with anything they shouldnít
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This is going to blow up in Melbourne, it will be like a pressure cooker building up steam over until then and the FIA genius who came up with the idea to release after it was too late for the press to ask questions may regret his/her idea. Will heads roll? maybe.
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That's an easy and safe assumption. Real or not, the media will milk it. But that still leaves the door open for it be stinky in some way.

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All fair I suppose because most people, including myself, believe that Ferrari get their share of assistance from the FIA but is this not more of a case of Ferrari pushing the limits and basically just being told to stop using this design/setup? Thats what it seemed like last season after their performance dropped.
It's pure speculation on my part. My thinking is that whatever they were doing was both legal and illegal at the same time. What I am saying is on one hand its legal, on the other its it's not. A super grey area solution. Very creative and totally against the unenforceable "spirit of the rules".

The settlement was that Ferrari would stop, but nothing would be said. Why not drop the hammer on them? Because its Ferrari and because the sports struggling and also it may not have been clear cut case of cheating. Who would have fought for a confidential settlement? FIA or Ferrari?

I expect on the FIA side some may not be happy with how it went down. I expect how this was communicated was purposeful in that it created this bit of smell of something not quite right, but still sticking to the agreement. If Ferrari wants to remove the stink of a cheating scandal, just release the settlement details?

Of course, I could be very wrong! So apologies to any Ferrari fans upset with my speculation.

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I would like to know the details of the 'settlement' though.
I expect we never will and this will be old news and mostly forgot by end of the season.

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Who’s head? Someone at Ferrari or the FIA?
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Or gets promoted from Ferrari to the FIA??

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I think it will take time, Ferrari need to sort themselves out first
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