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13 Mar 2020, 03:09 (Ref:3963732) | #51 | ||
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13 Mar 2020, 03:42 (Ref:3963736) | #52 | ||
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Hopefully an Evening with Joe is still going ahead.
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13 Mar 2020, 08:05 (Ref:3963759) | #53 | ||
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I reckon everyone involved knew this should have been postponed a while ago and certainly should have been canned the moment the positive test came in, but the FIA, FOM, track owner and regional Govt all wanted someone else to be the one to make the decision. It’s pathetic of course, but not at all surprising.
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13 Mar 2020, 08:59 (Ref:3963770) | #54 | |
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No-one either wanted to be the one to pull it due to vested interests or be seen to be the one to pull out. The teams voted with their feet and ultimately, the fans lost out. Waiting until almost FP1 started to know was silly. Not handled as bad as Indy 2005, but not all that well either.
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13 Mar 2020, 10:29 (Ref:3963786) | #55 | ||
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Today, they had weeks, if not months, of warning. And they were still unable to make a decision. Worst case scenario is the fans (and staff) have health issues. The stakes were higher, the scenario was known before hand, and yet a decision could not be made. Excuse my French, but it was p*ss poor and an embarrassment. |
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13 Mar 2020, 11:34 (Ref:3963798) | #56 | ||
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But it was always evolving. It does not represent the actual situation to say they had weeks, if not months. Not saying they were perfect, but here we are talking hours, if not days. Also allow for the fact that the logistics start so far ahead they must have felt pretty committed.
They did can China, were the situation was worse earlier and it was before any movement of cars or people to the region. They were one of the earliest sports to cancel an event. If there is a case detected at a any regular place of work do we then condemn that company for not reacting quicker and closing? There is more potential due to international travel, but should we all shut up shop when there has been a case locally? It’s not an easy decision. |
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13 Mar 2020, 11:46 (Ref:3963801) | #57 | |
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I have to agree with the post above. You are sort of damned if you do, damned if you don’t. After all, they probably get their advice from what the governments say
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13 Mar 2020, 11:53 (Ref:3963802) | #58 | |
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The outcome of the USGP in 2005 is exactly what should have happened. Bridgestone went too conservative with their tyres that year and were generally uncompetitive, not winning any of the other races that season. Michelin had a superior tyre for the majority of circuits, but not one suitable for Indianapolis.
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13 Mar 2020, 12:31 (Ref:3963817) | #60 | |||
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I agree that it’s harsh to say F1 should have known and acted months, weeks or even one week ago. But the last few days was ugly compared to the decisiveness being shown by (bigger and smaller) sports elsewhere. Last edited by Anyopenroad; 13 Mar 2020 at 12:37. |
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Countries and entities that have not dealt with this type of thing before have not fully followed examples of those that have. Now it feels like we're throwing hail marys at everything. |
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13 Mar 2020, 13:05 (Ref:3963831) | #62 | ||
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Yes, over the last few days. Even then though, after you’ve dragged the circus half way around the world and have hundreds or thousands of people wanting to come and see you the desire to try and run the event must be high.
Wrong decisions were made, but I’m not ready to crucify people over this. |
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13 Mar 2020, 13:25 (Ref:3963840) | #64 | ||
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There is strategy popular in politics and business today that you just bully your way forward and steam roller your opponents. That required an opponent that will bend to your will or capitulate. Something like Coronavirus doesn't care (or even know) about your business strategy, politics, wishful thinking or willful ignorance. Richard |
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13 Mar 2020, 14:30 (Ref:3963862) | #65 | ||
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in fairness, the NBA (the first domino) only cancelled about 36 hours prior to F1 making their decision.
the NBA and other leagues decision was made easier by virtue of their organizational structure where the teams/team owners sit on a board and the commissioner is their employee. the teams own the sport and their players and employees are unionized. F1's decision probably would have come earlier had the time zones matched up better with the various board room across the world with which they have to coordinate with. Claire Williams was probably the only one there capable to definitively speaking for her organization. Toto as much control as he has over the team still has a boss who currently has a lot more to worry about then an F1 race. my guess is that the decision was made (or the path was clear) when Kimi and Seb left. good for them. in terms of news, yesterday was crazyballs and i know i could not wait to get home and hug my family. F1 did exactly what like every other sport did give or take several hours. F1 does not have the power of a supranational government. they can barley tell the local car club what to do...as evidenced by every race messed up by a locally appointed race steward. well thats your problem. you are supposed to want to crucify people! |
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13 Mar 2020, 14:42 (Ref:3963868) | #66 | |
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I guess its at times like this that the cold realisation at Liberty (and their shareholders) is that what they have actually bought of F1 - they don't own the circuits, the teams or the cars - without all of those they have no product...
Also bear in the mind that if what is reported is right - the FIA can effectively cancel the race unilaterally without any comeback if F1 cannot provide 12 cars for the race - which I believe is what effectively happened in Melbourne. So the rights holder (FOM) could have the race taken away from them by a majority of the teams pulling out of the race - even if FOM wanted to run it, the FIA can over rule as the ultimate owner of F1. |
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My feeling was that the indication was clear when McLaren said they would withdraw.After all,earlier in the week Ross Brawn said that if one team couldn't race then nobody would.I suspected this was to protect Ferrari at the time and I have a feeling that the intervening period would have been used to establish who was liable for the assorted costs of cancellation.
It also looks like Liberty will have quite a number of unused hours of satellite time in the coming weeks.Given the lack of development opportunities for the teams do we think that a test or two behind locked gates-with TV coverage might be to everybody's benefit?I expect all the design teams will be able to make a head start on cars for next season anyway. |
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13 Mar 2020, 15:48 (Ref:3963885) | #69 | ||
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haha. that was literally what i had going through my head when Adam mentioned crucifixion!!!
have also been thinking a lot about the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy and the words 'Don't Panic' written on it. the importance of always knowing where your towel is because you can use it as a mask if needed. also you can put it over your head when the end of the world comes! Last edited by chillibowl; 13 Mar 2020 at 15:57. Reason: spelling |
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i think a test may be too much though given the travel and logistics involved. but as far as the design teams and/or forward thinking teams that may be set up for working at home situations...the ability to be productive during this impromptu break could have some interesting and positive knock on effects. cool thought P38! |
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Let's face it, they were all waiting for someone else to pull the trigger and take the fall and costs for cancelling. Sent from my SM-T580 using Tapatalk |
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13 Mar 2020, 19:15 (Ref:3963985) | #74 | |
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Yeah, I think tonight is phone only if Morgan does want to watch something funny and fun. Media and even here might get a break, although honestly talking on here is a good distraction and compared to other places we've been quite civil and calm. With the usual exceptions but even they have been minor. We all love motorsport but that comes as the icing on the cake not the cake. Get back to normalcy and we can resume our regularly scheduled consumption of racing fuel.
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Brilliantly summed up. Found myself with other things to do too. Like doing more tennis coach shadowing today. Just need to work out what to do on Saturday and Sunday afternoon now. No need for panic though, just carry on doing what you can, when you can. |
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